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Old 10-14-2004, 12:37 AM   #16
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100% against. I would be a hypocrite if I opposed abortion and advocated capital punishment.


On the religious side of this debate, I struggle with how (dare I say it) certain representatives of the Christian Right freely and keenly play God for those mankind is allowed to judge and condemn.

I think it's cool to be close to God and all. But Jesus people, we can never BE God.
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I am against capital punishment if the individual no longer presents a threat to other people but while they are still a danger then they are fair game; as in targeted assasinations on Hamas leaders. Border is crossed on some crimes e.g. cases of crimes against humanity - they should be left hanging off a rope unceremoniously like the Nuremberg Trials. My opinion there is tempered by the situation at hand, Saddam will probably be executed, one life does not bring closure or comfort to all and is merely the last death in a sorry piece of modern history - I will not shed a tear for him. I would prefer if we had a purgatory sentence for these monsters, would that be possible?

I am against death sentences for murder etc. two wrongs do not make a right. Terrorism becomes a different level because you are not talking a few lives at risk, you may be talking thousands, in a lot of those cases they can be very useful alive.
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according to the international declaration of human rights, capital punishment has been found to be 'cruel and unusual punishment.' i tend to agree with this argument because our justice system is far from infallible. guilt is determined on a standard of reasonable doubt, not 100% certainty. there is always the risk that an innocent person can be convicted and executed, which i think is unacceptable. the only way to eliminate this risk to abolish capital punishment.
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Agreed, abolish capital punishment and torture fully all over the globe.
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what do you think about the Israeli tactic letting imprisoned militant leaders out of jail and kill them later (with a little "colateral damage")?
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The Mossad are very good, when they do the job properly there is no collateral damage. I have no problem if they kill somebody like Sheik Yassin after releasing them. Proven terrorist threatens innocent lives, elimination will save lives and will prevent terrorists attacking for leverage for release. As I said better to have 1 terrorist leader and 3 bodyguards dead than suffer 200 innocent people get blown up. Since the seperation barrier and targeted assasinations Hamas has gone from blowing up busloads of innocent people in Israel proper to launching puny rockets across short distances. Fighting terror involves killing terrorists, negotiation failed outright and the Al Aqsa Intafada demonstrates it, offer a Palestinian state with significant concessions and Arafat responds with the suicide homocide bombers of Palestinian Diplomacy.

Whether you like it or not killing terrorists solves the problem, proof positive is the success of the Israelis in dealing with the second intafada which is now pretty much over.
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Do you think the laws in the United States should be based on the Bible?
Do you think they shouldn't?

Writing laws that are informed by biblical or religious moral principles is not necessarily a violation of the Establishment clause.

That said, I really don't think the Bible makes an ironclad case for or against capital punishment.
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I am for it for people who murdered intentionally and cruelly. While I do value life highly, IMO anyone who has deprived another of their life does not deserve theirs, even behind bars. I think it should be reserved for the most heinous of crimes, rape/murders, multilation murders, and especially child killings. I don't think a guy who shoots his best friend when he's drunk should get it, or even someone who shoots in a robbery, they should have life with no parole. But serial killers like the snipers and John Wayne Gacy should be executed.
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I also want to add, there should be undeniable evidence including DNA tests and possibly surveilence cameras before the death penalty is given, not just eyewitness accounts. And don't even try to throw shit at me that it's no different from abortion, it IS. That baby never had a chance to live and do anything wrong, they never had a 'choice.' The criminal did.
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Do you think the laws in the United States should be based on the Bible?
bahahaha! Yeh, turn the other cheek! That will work!

Obviously basing law on Christian teaching (especailly the BIBLE) will lead to anarachy. We are not all good people and people will take advantage of the weaknesses in Christian ethics leading to a much worse off society IMO.

Nah but seriously, I am 100% FOR Captial Punishment. For such serious crimes eg. Mass murdering, the punishment should fit the crime. Okay so Capital Punishment is somewhat of an easy way out for many criminals, but nontheless it eliminates one more problem in society. By keeping someone in jail for life is just a pure waste of taxpayers money. I'm not gonna work my arse off to pay some jackass to live more comfortably than half the people in the world just because he's a scumbag murderer.
You guys say it violates human rights? They forfeited their rights by the choices they made. Sometimes you have to strip things like that.
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bahahaha! Yeh, turn the other cheek! That will work!

Nah but seriously, I am 100% FOR Captial Punishment. For such serious crimes eg. Mass murdering, the punishment should fit the crime. Okay so Capital Punishment is somewhat of an easy way out for many criminals, but nontheless it eliminates one more problem in society. By keeping someone in jail for life is just a pure waste of taxpayers money. I'm not gonna work my arse off to pay some jackass to live more comfortably than half the people in the world just because he murder's people.
I bet you also advocate booting for making crank phone calls.
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I bet you also advocate booting for making crank phone calls.
Snruh? What do you mean by 'booting?'
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Do you think the laws in the United States should be based on the Bible?
Most certainly not sir. A state with divine right is the combination of the two most opressive concepts in the history of mankind; government and religion.

Laws must be based on reason and logic and not superstition. Those in the world that actively pursuing divine laws are the ones who bring about cruelty on to population. The United States legal system must never become a mirror image of Sharia.

If one bases the legal system on upholding and protecting the rights of the individual and punishing those that harm or remove the rights of others it can do a lot more that one rooted in theology.

I am only slightly less passionate about this than I am about Sharia because in this situation it is a hypothetical wheras Sharia is practiced frequently and many suffer because of it - and no matter how much anybody tells me to be tollerant I will never stand by while evil is committed as part of religious affairs.
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Most certainly not sir. A state with divine right is the combination of the two most opressive concepts in the history of mankind; government and religion.

Laws must be based on reason and logic and not superstition. Those in the world that actively pursuing divine laws are the ones who bring about cruelty on to population. The United States legal system must never become a mirror image of Sharia.

If one bases the legal system on upholding and protecting the rights of the individual and punishing those that harm or remove the rights of others it can do a lot more that one rooted in theology.

I am only slightly less passionate about this than I am about Sharia because in this situation it is a hypothetical wheras Sharia is practiced frequently and many suffer because of it - and no matter how much anybody tells me to be tollerant I will never stand by while evil is committed as part of religious affairs.
Lol, I wouldn't take the comment about basing law on the BIBLE too seriously!
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Booting is a cunning reference to the Bart vs. Australia from Simpsons Season 6 where the Booting is Barts punishment.

"Mr Simpson please be quite, dispariging the boot is a bootable offence"
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