What is the source of your self esteem?

[nbcrusader]

From MSNBC:

Breast implants linked to suicide

A series of studies has found a surprisingly high suicide rate among women who have had cosmetic breast implants, renewing the controversy about the procedure just as the Food and Drug Administration weighs whether to allow silicone gel implants back on the market.

THE LATEST study, published yesterday, found that Finnish women who had cosmetic implants were more than three times more likely to commit suicide than the general population ? in line with findings from a similar study of Swedish women and one of American women conducted by the National Cancer Institute.

FDA DECISION PENDING
The three studies also found that the overall death rate for women with implants was the same as or lower than for the general population, suggesting that the implants themselves were not causing illness, as once feared. But all three found that the suicide rate was significantly, and at this point inexplicably, higher than expected.

Some researchers say the high suicide rate reflects the psychological makeup of women who seek implants ? that as a group they are more likely to have psychological problems than the general population. But others say the high suicide rate is a function of the difficulties and pain that sometimes occur years after the surgery.

 

[pax]

I wish women would start to realize how unhealthy all of these elective cosmetic procedures can be--unhealthy for women's bodies, spirits, and relationships. Most guys I know say that they'd prefer smaller, natural breasts to bigger fake ones. But that shouldn't even matter--breasts are beautiful in all sizes and shapes, and unfortunately that message isn't being sent (or if it is, it's not being received) in American society.

 

[womanfish]

As a male and breast lover. I have been on a crusade for the past 10 years trying to spread the word of the greatness of not just small(er) breasts, but natural ones as well. I have sat and debated with women at length trying to get them to reconsider surgeries they have either already scheduled or set their mind to do. Sadly I have had little to no success. I don't understand it. I don't see the attraction to fake breasts and I certainly don't understand why women feel the need to get huge ones when their breasts are fine how they are.

I don't believe all cosmetic breast surgery is wrong. I would understand a "breast lift", a breast reduction, or a small breast augmentation in some rare cases.

Breasts are beautiful, don't ruin them!!!

 

[verte76]

I wish women wouldn't get these procedures they don't need either. Surgery is drastic stuff, and I'm only going to get the stuff I absolutely need for my health and safety.

 

[mad1]

2 pple gettin on my hooters at the moment is Jordan and her enemy Jodie Marsh


all the argue about is how one has better t*ts, body, how the other is trashier, etc.

and Jordan has gone too far with her bust..........she had the f*cking opportunity to make her life, but chose this?





Has ANYONE heard the 'Breast speech' by Greg Kinnear in the film 'Auto Focus?'



he speaks for 95% of men!

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

I think self esteem begins w/ your parents. If they don't do the proper job instilling it, it's tough the rest of your life to try to feel good about yourself.

Making women feel inferior makes a lot of money for certain people, and until that changes, nothing else will.

I think it's also definitely possible that the chemicals in implants could alter brain chemistry.

 

[igloolik]

well, if you base your self-esteem on your looks, they fade, as does your self-esteem. (god, i hate that word, it's used WAY too often at school) it seems obvious to me. to quote Dorian Gray in The Picture of Dorian Gray: 'When I find that I am growing old, I shall kill myself.' isn't that proof enough that peole who put importance on looks are suicidal by nature?

 

[nbcrusader]

Years ago, I represented the company that is trying to re-introduce silicone implants in the US. The legal battles involved many "junk" claims of silicone related health effects. Most of the claims were invented by lawyers and their paid specialists.

Making women feel inferior makes a lot of money for certain people, and until that changes, nothing else will.

This is central to the elective plastic surgery industry.

I would not want my wife to get implants.

 

[filledeperle]

This reminds me of a story a few years ago, where a 16 year-old girl in England was getting breast implants for her birthday from her parents. She said, and her parents agreed, that having bigger breasts would be the only way for her to be successful in the world, and she used women like Pamela Anderson and a few others as proof that bigger breasts means respect and success in life.

Its so sad that some girls think their whole world could fall apart around them if they don't have a bigger chest size. They have to have someone to tell them they are worth a lot more than their chest size.

Perle

 

[verte76]

This reminds me of a story a few years ago, where a 16 year-old girl in England was getting breast implants for her birthday from her parents. She said, and her parents agreed, that having bigger breasts would be the only way for her to be successful in the world, and she used women like Pamela Anderson and a few others as proof that bigger breasts means respect and success in life.

Its so sad that some girls think their whole world could fall apart around them if they don't have a bigger chest size. They have to have someone to tell them they are worth a lot more than their chest size.

Perle

That's pathetic. I'm so glad I wasn't raised that way.

 

[AvsGirl41]

Padded bras are really the way to go...I fully endorse them. They are much cheaper and healthier.

My freshman year in college, I was told by a male friend tht I didn't get any dates because I was too flat chested and I should look into getting silicone implants. Stuff like that can have a really painful impact on a girl--I had felt pretty confident about myself until then, I was never very focused on the way I looked. You don't think about how silly a comment like that is, you just obsess about it. And there isn't much in American society to tell you to value your intelligence or sense of humor more.

Now, after two years of Victoria Secret's artificial enhancements, I still don't get any dates, but I know now it is my scathing personality and intelligence. And I feel better about myself than I ever have.

 

[nbcrusader]

This reminds me of a story a few years ago, where a 16 year-old girl in England was getting breast implants for her birthday from her parents. She said, and her parents agreed, that having bigger breasts would be the only way for her to be successful in the world, and she used women like Pamela Anderson and a few others as proof that bigger breasts means respect and success in life.

A read a similar story in Houston Magazine (it was the cover story). Parents graduation gift for their daughter - implants.

The parents probably thought they were doing a good thing and really involved in their daughter's life.

 

[MissVelvetDress_75]

One of my best friend's has implants. She got them only for cosmetic purposes and the attention she gets from guys because she has fake breasts and is fake blond amazes me. Apparently most men are attracted to fake boobs and fake blonds. She would like to have more cosmetic surgery done such as lipo, nose job, face lift, etc. I don't know what to tell her when she goes on about this because she will not listen to the "you are pretty just as you are." She has also told me I should consider getting lipo.

 

[Angela Harlem]

NBC, you aren't referring to Dow Corning are you?

 

[pub crawler]

My man-boobs are the source of my self-esteem.

 

[Danospano]

I like boobs. I really like boobs. Okay...I am obsessed with boobs! ---->

Here's the lowdown: Like women, men are attracted to the Madison Av. definition of beauty. We are initially attracted to those obvious choices, but once any of us get to know a person, those preconceived notions go out the window. At least for most of us. We all have our own "types", but it would be a lie to say that everyone thinks certain types are appealing. Nobody ever says 'Lyle Lovett is so hot', or 'Damn, Roseanne Barr is super sexy". NEVER hear it, never will. While this may be true, everyone is attractive when given the chance. (I hope that's true, because otherwise I'm screwed....in the bad sense of the word ) Don't make me cry!

Anyway, I'm not surprised women get this shit done to their bodies. Women believe the only way to win a man/financial security is to look like a model. Sadly I think that's true in most cases. (Again...if you know where I can find a woman that doesn't fit into this category, tell me...you might save me a ton of heartache). It's true, because I see it everywhere. Men of all ages act this way. I don't, but it seems like everyone else does. Urgh! But it should be noted that women act the same exact way. Let me repeat: Women act exacting the same way. Got it?
For that reason I have less respect for those ladies that feel like they have low self-esteems, because they'd treat men exactly the same way.

Screw the women for being superfiscal, screw the men for being superfical, and screw ME, for thinking addressing this matter in a truthful way will ever make me content.

Night

 

[mad1]

She has also told me I should consider getting lipo.

NO!

She said that to you?

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

Lyle Lovett might not be "hot", but he seems like a nice guy to me. Possibly a guy who would treat a lady well, but of course possibly not..

I admit I like looking at nice looking men-it's human nature to enjoy things that are aesthetically pleasing. But if a person does not have a good heart and soul, the nice looks are ruined and useless.

OK, I'll say it here..I have always been flat chested, and especially in my high school years it was very tough to deal with. It still is, but if someone is going to think any "less" of me because of that (or any of my other imperfections), I really wouldn't want to waste my time on them. A guy who is only attracted to that is pretty useless imho.

 

[nbcrusader]

NBC, you aren't referring to Dow Corning are you?

No, Inamed Corp. They were a small player in the breast implant industry (once owned by 3M).

 

[nbcrusader]

My man-boobs are the source of my self-esteem.

I have a breast implant. I keep it in a box in the garage.



Actually, you would be surprised to see where men have implants (and not just the stuff of email spam).

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

I think self esteem begins w/ your parents. If they don't do the proper job instilling it, it's tough the rest of your life to try to feel good about yourself.

*Nods* I agree.

If only the parents of that 16 year old girl from London could read this thread-then they'd realize that the things they told their daughter couldn't be farther from the truth.

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
I admit I like looking at nice looking men-it's human nature to enjoy things that are aesthetically pleasing. But if a person does not have a good heart and soul, the nice looks are ruined and useless.

Exactly right. A guy's personality is what matters most to me.

As for this whole thing of breast implants...if a woman wants to get that done to herself...*shrugs*...I say it's her body and she can do with it what she wishes. I may not agree with it and I may think it's pointless and unnecessary, but...whatever.

I have no desire to get implants, myself. Pigs will fly before I even consider doing that.

Angela

 

[foray]

I was horrified the other day to see Oprah endorse such "extreme makeovers" as they are euphemistically called. I thought she was all about building one's own self-esteem.

foray

 

[sue4u2]

Who exactly respects Pamela Anderson anyway? She's only famous for being famous -and of course those huge implants she has (can't really call them breast any longer.) I hope this 16 year old aspires to better than that, with or without implants.

 

[MissVelvetDress_75]

NO!

She said that to you?

Yes she did, but let me tell why she said it. We were talking one day about our summer clothing and things we do not like to wear at this time of the year. I went on to tell her that I was not happy with my hips, thighs, and stomach and because of that I am not comfortable wearing swimsuits. She suggested lipo after I mentioned my problem areas. I told her I will let nature work out those problems areas of mine. I do not want surgery unless my life depends on it.

 

[Salome]

I don't know exactly what most of these women think who see cosmetic surgery as a solution
so I'll never be able to convince them why they are wrong IMO

 

[Angela Harlem]

Like vain people aren't enough, those who go to such extreme measures to magically get themselves a better life are somewhat blind to the bigger picture.

 

[Klaus]

It's sad that many people just can get self esteem because of they body, their money or their nationality

 

[cell]

i've considered breast reduction. why? cuz my boobs are too fuggin' big thats why. they used to hurt my back, and i get the wrong attention most of the time. i used to let it affect my self esteem in more ways than one. after years of soul searching, i decided against it. i love and hate my boobs because they get all the attention. see the conflict there?

other than that...its tough to deal with how everyone deals with self esteem.

 

[mad1]

You are a strong woman Miss Velvet!

 

[Dreadsox]

I was really upset. Since April I have gained twenty pounds....and I have man boobs.

On a serious note....I have a friend whose child has no muscle tissue in his left chest. His father wants to have an implant put in so that he will appear normal to other kids. I was horrified, the kid is only 6 years old.