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Old 03-25-2007, 04:55 PM   #16
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There is no such thing as a European dream.

Somebody who is very poor and lives in the US South still loves America and feels American and thinks that the American dream is a possibility.

Somebody who is poor and lives in Eastern Europe doesn't really feel European, isn't treated particularly well by the rest of Europe and would by all estimations rather emigrate to North America than be mythical EU.

At least this is my experience. Not to say it is that way for everyone.
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Basically I agree with Vincent. The 'American Dream' (a phrase which dates only to the early 20th century, and frankly isn't used that much here anymore) isn't meant to be a vision of what the country itself should 'stand for', much less what role we should play in international affairs--it's more an *ideal* about what kinds of life opportunities the 'average American' (and in particular the immigrant) can expect to have; that you don't need to be 'Old Money', or descended from upper-class stock, to achieve a comfortable middle-class standard of living. The inevitable accuracy issues, qualifications and contradictions aside, this was a very appealing thought to the (mostly very poor) millions of people who emigrated here from Ireland, Italy, Poland etc. during that time, convinced they could never expect the kinds of opportunities for socioeconomic advancement there which they could here.
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Old 03-27-2007, 08:14 AM   #20
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I was at a U2 concert last November and Bono told me: "it's not just an American dream, also an Irish dream, also an Asian dream, also. . . . .an African dream."
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