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Old 06-28-2005, 10:36 AM   #16
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lol Irvine...you're incredible...If i were gay, I'd fall deeply in love with you like *that* (snaps fingers)


As for what Bush will say? I think it'll go something like this:

TERRORISM TERRORISM

9/11 9/11 9/11


GOD BLESS AMERICA! (well only the non-gay, Christian, NRA member, Iraq war supporters of America)
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Old 06-28-2005, 10:40 AM   #17
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He's scheduled to talk about Iraq. The polls show that support for the Iraq effort is falling and he wants to change that. This administration isn't good at communication, I doubt if a speech can change the polls.
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Does it matter what GWB says? Based on some of the comments, people seem clear as to what they will hear.
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Old 06-28-2005, 01:24 PM   #19
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I have a two hour yoga class tonight so I won't be watching Bush's speech. However, I am taping this show on PBS tonight:
http://www.pbs.org/opb/thenewheroes/

Here's a brief blurb on what the show is about:

"The New Heroes tells the dramatic stories of 14 daring people from all corners of the globe who, against all odds, are successfully alleviating poverty and illness, combating unemployment and violence, and bringing education, light, opportunity and freedom to poor and marginalized people around the world.

Also known as "social entrepreneurs," they develop innovations that bring life-changing tools and resources to people desperate for viable solutions. What is possible? You'd be surprised. Take a journey into a world where people take action to make a big difference."
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Does it matter what GWB says? Based on some of the comments, people seem clear as to what they will hear.
I think we're just going by his previous attempts at addressing the nation. When you're 10 for 10 on saying the same exact thing, it's hard to believe the 11th time will be any different.
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:05 PM   #21
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Is it time yet>?
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Damn....I counted...it did not even take him 5 seconds to mention 9/11

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Old 06-28-2005, 05:31 PM   #23
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I am just shaking my head.... Why is he talking about 9/11?
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Why is he talking about 9/11?

He had support from ALL sides after 9/11.
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Trying, yet again, to link 9/11 to the war in Iraq is the only straw he has to grasp.
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Reminds me of that Manic Street Preachers lyric...."and on the street tonight an old man plays with newspaper cuttings of his glory days..."
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I think that it is a fine speech, and tying Iraq as a battle in the GWOT is a legitimate point, the two are entwined, removing obstacles to democracy and liberty in the region does a favour in the fight against radical Islam. This is not saying that Saddam was behind 9/11, it is stating that a free and democratic Iraq is a bullwark against Islamism and can help catalyse democratic change throughout the region.

Anyhow for the speech, it adresses the points that I outlined in my prior post.
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This is not saying that Saddam was behind 9/11, it is stating that a free and democratic Iraq is a bullwark against Islamism
Define 'Islamism'.
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The political movement within the Islamic world that holds Islam is not strictly a religion but also a political system that holds divine authority. The Deobandi's are an example of Islamists, the Taliban regime was Islamist in nature. Bin Laden is an an Islamist and Al Qaeda and many other Islamic terrorist groups subscribe to an Islamist ideolgy. Things like restoring the caliphate by toppling the current regimes in the Islamic world, reconquering territory lost centuries ago like Andalusia, creating pan-Islamic states ~ so a group like Jemaah Islamia would see Indonesia, Malaysia and the Southern Phillipines all be melded into a theocratic superstate.

Support for these groups - the neoconservative movement maintains - is due to despiration born not out of US foreign policy or the existence of Israel, rather the absence of political freedoms in their own countries which leads to a resentment that is adventageous to groups that offer any alternative to the nationalist governments of the region.

A free and democratic middle east would mean that people have political and social freedoms, avenues to express themselves and get proportional representation. The great thing about a democracy is that it is usually effective in marginalising extremists as their ideas are scrutinised and the people have a say against it.
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The great thing about a democracy is that it is usually effective in marginalising extremists as their ideas are scrutinised and the people have a say against it.
'Usually effective in marginalising extremists'

Indeed.
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