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Old 05-14-2003, 06:12 PM   #1
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What... in the bluest of blue hells... is going on in Texas...

AUSTIN, Texas - Rebellious Democrats who fled the state Capitol spent a second day in Oklahoma on Tuesday and criticized U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay for pushing the GOP drive in Texas to redraw the state's congressional districts.

"We have a message for Tom DeLay: Don't mess with Texas," House Democratic Legislative Caucus leader Jim Dunnam said at a news conference in Ardmore, Okla. "We did not choose the path that led us to Ardmore, Oklahoma. Tom DeLay chose that path."

Fifty-eight Democrats sneaked out of Austin on Sunday after spending several days discussing ways to derail the GOP redistricting plan. Although three Democrats returned to the Capitol Tuesday, more than 50 remained in Oklahoma, denying Republicans a quorum needed to conduct business for a second day.

Delay, also a Texas Republican, has been the driving force behind the redistricting effort. The Democrats said his involvement in redistricting, which they dubbed a power grab, as the key reason for their walkout.

The GOP redistricting plan could add five to seven GOP House seats to the 15 it already has. The state has 32 congressional districts.

In Washington, DeLay said the Democrats were disloyal for fleeing Texas. "I have never turned tail and run," DeLay said. "Even when I'm losing, I stand and fight for what I believe. It's so Texas contrary."

In Oklahoma, the defiant Democrats said they would stay away until Republicans agreed to drop the redistricting plan.

"Congressman DeLay is wrong to upset a process that should be dealt with every 10 years, not every time someone chooses to manipulate the process," said Rep. Richard Raymond, a member of the Texas House Redistricting Committee.

States must redraw their congressional districts every 10 years to reflect population shifts found in the U.S. Census. Texas lawmakers failed to agree on a new plan following the 2000 Census, and a court-ordered map was put into place in late 2001.

Republicans say it doesn't match state voting trends and want to redo the plan.

The three returning Democrats were welcomed back into the House chamber with hugs and supportive words from their Republican colleagues. One Democrat, Rep. Helen Giddings, fought back tears as she stated her desire to stop the redistricting plan.

Republicans had constructed signs and gimmicks ridiculing their colleagues. They plastered the Democrats' faces on milk cartons, and Susan Weddington, chairwoman of the Republican Party of Texas, borrowing from the "most wanted Iraqi" cards, announced she had playing cards featuring the missing legislators.

House rules allow state troopers to arrest lawmakers and bring them back to the Capitol. On Monday, Craddick had ordered troopers to find the missing lawmakers, arrest them and bring them back to Austin. Several agents arrived at the Democrats' hotel in Ardmore on Monday night but they did not have jurisdiction outside of Texas and did not have a warrant issued by Oklahoma authorities.

Instead, the troopers asked the legislators to board their aircraft and return home, but the lawmakers refused.

The capped months of tension between Democrats and the Republicans, who took control of the House in January. The GOP already controlled the Senate.

The Democrats said they were taking a stand for fair treatment of the minority party.

The Texas House cannot convene without at least 100 of the 150 members present. The body has 88 Republicans and 62 Democrats. Four Democrats had stayed behind and the whereabouts of four others were not known.

The missing Democratic lawmakers spent Monday in a hotel conference room, where large sheets of paper taped to the walls were used as makeshift chalkboards and long tables were filled with laptop computers, stacks of papers and notebooks.

They said they discussed school financing, homeowners insurance and other issues.

Craddick said Perry assured him he would call a special session after the regular session if it's needed.

The walkout came 24 years to the month since a group of 12 Texas state senators defied then-Lt. Gov. Bill Hobby by refusing to show up at the Capitol.

Some of the "Killer Bees," as the 12 Democrats came to be known, hid out in a west Austin garage apartment while troopers, Texas Rangers and legislative sergeants-at-arms unsuccessfully combed the state for them.
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Sounds like a hootenanny! Yee Haaawww!!!!!
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Oh come on. Don't act so surprised. It's politics. This is how the Democrats will effectively stop Tom DeLay's attempt to gerrymander Texas into being more Republican district-wise.

This is what politics is all about--one side crying "moral outrage" and another side vilifying the other. I wouldn't put much stock into it.

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Ya gotta admit melon, Texans know how to piss each other off!
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This is the worst of patrician politics from Tom Delay.

They have a panel of judges to redistrict. Most likely as a result of a compromise when the Dems had control of the state for many years. This was done after the 2000 census for the 2002 election.

Well, Tom Delay is not satisfied and gerrymandered his on districts, where 5-7 of the white Dems would lose to Reps.

This would leave the Dems represented by only or mostly minorities.

Got to love the Rep no 2 man playing race politics in a plausible deniable way.
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It's politics. They really do know how to piss each other off.
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agree with delay or not, this might be the most immature reaction by a group of politicians i've ever seen... emphasis on the might
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agree with delay or not, this might be the most immature reaction by a group of politicians i've ever seen... emphasis on the might
It's really a brilliant tactic. They defeat DeLay. Don't tell the Republicans wouldn't have done it, if it would have benefitted them. They are just great at crying "moral outrage" when they burned ethics books in the 1980s.

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A website I go to is putting together a fund to send the Dems pizza or ribs or something.
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The current plan was devised by a panel of three Republican-appointed federal judges and has been approved by the Republican-dominated U.S. Supreme Court, and ruled on by the Republican Texas Attorney General. It should have been held till 2010.

I don't see it as immature, it's quite brilliant. If they don't vote within 72 hours, ? I don't know the exact time frame, the bill dies. The only way for the bill to be brought back to a vote is through the Supreme Court. It's just a way for them to fight the system. I'm sickened by these power grab moves. I'm glad they did something about it.

An interesting side note. A poll was taken( I don't believe in polls but everyone else here likes them) and some 72% of Texas citizens didn't want the redistricting.
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It's not really so black and white. I think the plan on the table may be a little extreme, but some redistricting is in order. In the Texas legislature, Republicans outnumber Democrats something like 55-45. However, Texas Republicans in the US House are outnumbered 17-15 because of the redistricting from 2 years ago. Now, how is that representative of the people of Texas? By the way, the redistricting did come about as the result fo a 3 judge panel, but I don't remember anything about all 3 being Republicans- I'd like to know where you heard that. I'm not saying it's not true, just never heard it.
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so rather than hold a debate on the topic and then vote on it... they run off and hide in oklahoma... yeah, great tactic.
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so rather than hold a debate on the topic and then vote on it... they run off and hide in oklahoma... yeah, great tactic.
Umm...it's because if it went on party lines...and tell me with a straight face that it wouldn't have happened...they would have lost.

It was a great tactic. They tricked the GOP at their own game.

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Dems all across the US were cheering them on! Yea!
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Umm...it's because if it went on party lines...and tell me with a straight face that it wouldn't have happened...they would have lost.

It was a great tactic. They tricked the GOP at their own game.

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ummm...the Dems did not trick the repubs at their own game..the Repubs have never run off to another state to avoid voting on an issue...
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