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Old 10-08-2006, 06:53 PM   #1
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What Happens To Islamic Enlightenment?

It gets supressed by the powers that be
TEHERAN - Iran has arrested a controversial cleric and some of his followers who advocate separating religion and poitics, a taboo in Islamic Iran, after clashes with police, the student ISNA agency said on Sunday.

Hundreds of supporters of Ayatollah Mohammad Kazemeini Borujerdi had gathered on Saturday around his house in Teheran to protest the arrest of a number of the Shiite cleric’s followers and restrictions imposed on him, press reports said.

"The ones behind Saturday’s unrest were arrested. All including, Mr Borujerdi, have been handed over to judiciary officials," said a security official in Teheran governor’s office, identified only by his last name, Roshan.

Roshan said the police had previously sought to contain these "sectarian elements" but yesterday "they were carrying Molotov cocktails, knives, swords and clubs to confront the police."

"They even (for a time) took members of the force hostage and threw acid on policemen and vandalized public property," he said, adding "calm has been restored" in the crowded neighborhood in downtown Teheran.

A report in reformist Hambastegi daily said the Special Court for Clergy had recently tried to arrest Borujerdi but faced by resistance by his supporters.

Questioning a pillar of the Islamic republic, the ayatollah has said "we believe people have grown tired of political religion and they want to return to traditional religion. "The objective of my followers and me is in defending traditional religion," the semi-official ILNA news agency quoted the ayatollah as saying.

But the deputy head of Teheran police, Commander Nasser Shabani, accused the ayatollah of claiming to be the representative of the Shiites’ "hidden" twelfth Imam, Mahdi, and misinterpreting religion.

"A person has gathered some naive people around to pledge donations and have their wishes come true, which is a sheer lie and distortion of religion," he told ILNA.

The protesters were reportedly shouting slogans such as "religious freedom is our right" and "freedom is our undeniable right", and carried banners that said "we are ready to be martyred to defend traditional religion".

His aims breach a taboo in Islamic Iran -- a theocracy in which the all-powerful supreme leader is a cleric chosen by a top Shiite clerical assembly.

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Old 10-09-2006, 04:09 PM   #2
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As I think about it, Islamic nations have, for the most part, had less than a century to try and carve out their own non-imperialist identity. It's perhaps unsurprising that they have resorted to religious extremism in light of that, but I do believe that in the long term, they will cast aside the nonsense of theocracy like the West.

Perhaps ironically, considering what we see on the news, I believe that Iran will probably be the first Islamic nation to willingly cast aside theocracy, given enough time. But, of course, the short term is incredibly frustrating.


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Yeah, give them time. It's been less than a hundred years since the Ottoman Empire fell apart.
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Old 10-09-2006, 05:43 PM   #4
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i dont know when but a day's gonna come, iranians will get sick of the bullshit they have to put up with, overthrow the clerics and establish a real state. of course, this will be delayed as long as their current establishment is given enough reason to demonize the US and unite their country in a common hatred towards it. just a side effect.

so, just as a brain-teaser, in this case, if a renegade blew up iran's supreme council, in a most Guy Fawkes fashion, and overthrew the regime, would that constitute an example of terrorism?
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