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Old 12-27-2005, 02:37 PM   #1
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What Good Is A Treaty?

When you won't live by it?

Europeans missing their Kyoto targets

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Britain and Sweden are the only European countries honouring their Kyoto commitments to cut greenhouse gasses, according to a think-tank report.

Although the US is portrayed as the ecological villain for refusing to sign up to the agreement, 10 out of the 15 European Union signatories - including Ireland, Italy and Spain - will miss their targets without urgent action, the Institute for Public Policy Research found.
Is the symbolic nature of a treaty more important than following the provisions and meeting its goals?
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Old 12-27-2005, 03:52 PM   #2
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I agree, the EU and national governments should make sure those targets are met.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:36 PM   #3
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This pisses me off. I have supported this treaty, but I will agree, it's not worth the paper it's written on if the people who signed it ignore it.
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The reductions mandated in Kyoto have an infinitesimally small impact on global climate change. The harsher regiment required for any real effect would have dire economic and by extension social ramifications. It is a case of people wanting to do something, anything regardless of how innefective it will really be.

We should prioritise where the effort is put and use things such as cost-benefit analysis when deciding how to allocate limited resources in protecting the environment.
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I cooked a dutch oven pot of beef stew (cast-iron)

and biscuits

over a fire of hickory wood for supper tonight.

*yeah, i cut the trees*


The moon sky is still black tonight and the sky tomorrow will be blue.


It's time to relax
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The moon sky is still black tonight and the sky tomorrow will be blue.


It's time to relax
denial will get us no where.
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Fearmongering about imminent doomsday will set you back.
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Fearmongering about imminent doomsday will set you back.
Let's see;

ignoring or take action
ignoring or take action

hmm, I'm gonna go with take action.
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And all that money and effort put into taking action however innefective it may be is not going to be spent where it could do the most good. Global climate change is an issue that will effect life on earth, but the nature and degree of this change and what we can do is not fully known yet and jumping on a bandwagon of doing something and getting that great feeling of saving the world even though it acheives nothing is pointless and dangerous.
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And all that money and effort put into taking action however innefective it may be is not going to be spent where it could do the most good. Global climate change is an issue that will effect life on earth, but the nature and degree of this change and what we can do is not fully known yet and jumping on a bandwagon of doing something and getting that great feeling of saving the world even though it acheives nothing is pointless and dangerous.
Replace 'global climate change' with 'war on terror', and you've got a much truer statement.
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And you have decided that rather than even trying to defend the Kyoto protocol it was easier to just jump off the page completely.
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And you have decided that rather than even trying to defend the Kyoto protocol it was easier to just jump off the page completely.
I didn't come to defend the treaty but to respond to the attitude that nothing needs to be done.
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Nobody said do nothing, TIH said people should relax and I said that we should do things that make a difference.
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and I said that we should do things that make a difference.
Well I agree with this part.
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Fearmongering about imminent doomsday will set you back.

Ah....someone mentioned doomsday.........makes me think about Mount Doom.....must hasten my journey...............
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