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Old 12-14-2003, 08:02 PM   #16
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Lieberman apparently will be coming after Dean very hard tomorrow night on Hardball on MSNBC.
OMG, I'll bet! Now it's "bring on the competition"!!
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To quote Mr. Lieberman:

[Q]JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN On the question that we're celebrating today, Howard Dean throughout this campaign has said he wasn't sure that Saddam really represented a threat to us. At one point he said, 'I suppose the Iraqis are better off with Saddam Hussein gone.' I would say this, and this is a choice the voters have to make in the primaries. If Howard Dean had his way, Saddam Hussein would be in power today, not in prison.[/Q]
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Its a big hit politically to the Dems, if you say its not, you are in denial. Nothing is over, but its a setback for Dean. This is not to say that Dean supported Saddam but more to say that he supported the fact that Bush had yet to catch him. That is history now, the Dean campaign needs to use another tactic.
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re the dean campaign..
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I'm very interested in new polls. They are just a barometer of public opinion, but I'd drop dead from shock if this didn't impact them in one way or the other. I don't know how as killings and such are still going on in Iraq and the Baathist party is probably going to go for broke now. Ugh. I'm not pitching my current art project which is a protest of the latest mosque bombing, that Sunni mosque near Baghdad.
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Well, I for one intend to vote on many other issues..the economy, AIDS relief, womens' issues, and others. The Iraq issue is just a part of what he stands for.

Not that anything would ever convince me to vote for Bush anyway
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Well, I for one intend to vote on many other issues..the economy, AIDS relief, womens' issues, and others. The Iraq issue is just a part of what he stands for.

Not that anything would ever convince me to vote for Bush anyway
Me either. No one is going out and changing their party registration because of this.
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Me either. No one is going out and changing their party registration because of this.
Very true, but most would say that Dean or whomever will need more than the usual voters to win this time around....
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Very true, but most would say that Dean or whomever will need more than the usual voters to win this time around....
Oh, I'm not saying this will not impact the elections. The diehard Dems are not going to change their party registration to Republican anytime soon. The incumbent usually has the advantage unless they've got *major* screw-ups and problems. The truth of the matter is that no one has a crystal ball. What if, God forbid, there's another terrorist attack on U.S. soil? We have 11 months until the general election, six weeks before the first primary. Hell, if this impacts the primaries enough we might not be talking about "Dean, the Democratic nominee".
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Text of a speech Dean made today in CA

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/N...ticle&id=10993
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Hm, good speech. I like it.
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[Q]To meet these and other important security challenges, including Iraq, I will bring to bear all the instruments of power that will keep our citizens secure and our nation strong. [/Q]

What the hell does this mean?



[Q]Empowered by the American people, I will work to restore:



The legitimacy that comes from the rule of law;[/Q]

I am confused? What exactly does this mean?



[Q]The credibility that comes from telling the truth;[/Q]

Who has lied? Are you accusing the President? If you are talking about the steps that led to war.....read below, because I believe the intelligence problem is more significant than your people have been briefing you on.


[Q]The knowledge that comes from first-rate intelligence, undiluted by ideology;[/Q]

Mr. Dean, our intelligence agencies were destroyed by EIGHT years of President Clinton's social programs in the FBI and the CIA. He moved to a program of promotion based on the color of ones skin, rather than on the merit of one's work. He pulled agents out of the field in many countries like Iraq and moved this country almost exclusively towards a program of ELECTRONIC INTEL. It has FAILED us.

The Clinton administration led to the exodous of excellent field agents into the private sector leaving this country vulnerable to numerous attacks. Even after the terrorist attacks of the past 12 years, the Democratic administration failed to do anything to correct the problems of our intelligence gathering capabilities, leaving us vulnerable to attack.

So Mr. Dean, before you attack the President and accuse him of using ideology to slant the evidence, I suggest you look at the whole picture....and tell me as a voter, what do you propose to do that President Bush has not done to FIX our intelligence gathering services. They missed 9/11 and apparently they were wrong about WMD in Iraq. I personally am more concerned that we have NOT taken steps to corect this by a third administration.

And Mr. Bush, I would suggest that you are a man of action, but what have you done? Seriously? Are we still flying blind? How am I to believe any intelligence about North Korea or Iran? Have you taken steps to get enough people who speak arabic languages into our intelligence services that we could possibly begin to get through the piles of ELECTRONIC INTEL gatheredd all the time. I want to know what you have done to fix the problems I have read about in the various books detailing the problems that led to 9/11.



[Q]The strength that comes from robust alliances and vigorous diplomacy; [/Q]

Robust alliances with who? The world is a changing place? Alliances change....politics change things....

It definitely sounds like Saddam would be in his palace nice and cozy...and we would be having tea and crumpets with the French.

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Sorry if I am being cranky here.......it is a pretty good speech....I am actually impressed.....however....these are the soundbites that will make the news...
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The quoted statements might work when running for student council, but they are sophomoric at a presidential level.
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I'm going back and re-reading that. I think I read it a bit too fast the first time. Holiday stress, ya know?
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He expands the ideas...in the speech.....however......

He supports almost all of the administrations actions other than Iraq. His examples of foreign policy use are EXACTLY what the US has done for the past 12-14 years other than Iraq.

He does little to define what some of the other sound bites are.

Again...overall....a decent speech.....

Lieberman....was very good on Hardball.
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