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Old 05-13-2007, 08:28 PM   #16
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Would you say - post-9/11 - there's an increase in activity, but decrease in success, or would you say there's a decrease in both activity and success?

Personally I think that the argument of "well, there hasn't been a 9/11 since 9/11 so we must be winning" is an absolutely ridiculous argument on a whole bunch of levels.
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Old 05-13-2007, 08:36 PM   #17
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Yes the argument that we are either safer or for that matter more at risk today are both flawed because that sort of risk isn't readily measurable, but 9/11 had a very long fuse and it does seem like AQ has had its leadership decapitated; but then anybody with an internet connection can learn how to make a bomb and a conspiracy to commit mass murder doesn't need approval from a few Arabs in tribal Pakistan.

But that is even more dangerous because it gets the government a reason to start spying on it's own citizens; just today they have an apparent probe to see if Hilali could have commited sedition - speechcrime for merely stating his position as a Muslim to stand with Iran against the usual "enemies of Islam".
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Old 05-13-2007, 11:25 PM   #18
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But that is even more dangerous because it gets the government a reason to start spying on it's own citizens; just today they have an apparent probe to see if Hilali could have commited sedition - speechcrime for merely stating his position as a Muslim to stand with Iran against the usual "enemies of Islam".
Yeah, that is scary, very scary, but I think those sort of ridiculous stunts for the stupid will go at the next election. In the meantime though...
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For that much money, they could have paid off all our homes and cars and put in security systems for everyone.
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