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Old 10-03-2005, 06:07 PM   #46
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I am truly incredulous. Not only that this law actually got passed, but slso that people are actually arguing that it's not a bad thing

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How do you find out the truth about the factual context when one of the prime eyewitnesses is dead. Then it's the word of the owner against the dead person.
Factual context = look at all the facts, not just eyewitness testimony. A lot can be told by the location, evidence around the house (a broken window), etc.

And it has always been the word of the owner agaist the dead person, under the old or new law.

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Yes you do have that 'right'. There's that line 'knew or had reason to believe' again. So Rono's example isn't completely wrong.
This is the operative part.

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that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred
Speculation about what someone might do does not give right to use the defense. At best, Rono's example was a fear that someone might break in. The individual was outside, had rung to door bell (not exactly forcible entry), and was leaving the premises.

For Rono's example, I'd say the defenant will be found guilty 10 out of 10 times.
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I am truly incredulous. Not only that this law actually got passed, but slso that people are actually arguing that it's not a bad thing

Perhaps you could articulate your thoughts instead of relying on the assumption that the law is a "bad thing"
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Old 10-03-2005, 06:58 PM   #49
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It's in essence removing culpability for shooting people, nbc. What on earth is impossible to understand about this? The rest of the world looked at Michael Moore's (so-called) documentary with horror (look beyond he himself, most sensible people understand his massive flaws - but look at the facts he did present). Does the US need explaining on why you have such an incredibly bloated murder rate? You seem to be a nation of indifference.
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It's in essence removing culpability for shooting people, nbc. What on earth is impossible to understand about this? The rest of the world looked at Michael Moore's (so-called) documentary with horror (look beyond he himself, most sensible people understand his massive flaws - but look at the facts he did present). Does the US need explaining on why you have such an incredibly bloated murder rate? You seem to be a nation of indifference.
It is not removing culpability for shooting people. Please read and understand the law instead of relying on stereotypes about the US.
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The ad is a crock.

Many states grant law-abiding citizens concealed weapons permits.

Please post where these gun carrying citizens have gunned down innocent people.

Please post!

Vermont has the most liberal gun carry law, you know the state of Howard Dean, any law-abing citizen can carry a concealed weapon. No state permit required.

Again...

Please post where these law abiding citizens are murdering people.


I suggest you do a search on the states in the U.S. that have the most retrictive gun laws...California, New York City, Washington D.C.

Who is doing the killing in these areas?

What areas have the highest murder rate?
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I read it. I understand it. Do you understand it? Do you understand these (as you call them) stereotypes about the US?
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I read the law and understand it. It is what I do for a living.
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I read the law and understand it. It is what I do for a living.
Yes, but just because you are a lawyer, does not mean you understand it in FYM terms..
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Please post where these law abiding citizens are murdering people.
Is this supposed to be a trick question?
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"Is this supposed to be a trick question?"


No, it is suppose to be a search for the truth on this topic.

We seem so bent(and righteous) on demonizing inanimate objects and seem so
afraid in confronting the weapons of our hearts.
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Many states grant law-abiding citizens concealed weapons permits.

Please post where these gun carrying citizens have gunned down innocent people.

Please post!
You do realize this question makes no sense and is impossible to answer.

Once they gun down an innocent person they are no longer law-abiding. Therefore no way to do a search on how many "law-abiding" citizens have killed. There have been murders done by citizens with permits. Not all criminals are born with a record. Ever heard of crimes of passion?
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We seem so bent(and righteous) on demonizing inanimate objects and seem so
afraid in confronting the weapons of our hearts.
This thread really has nothing to do with inanimate objects, it has to do with how easy it is to take advantage of the law and murder.
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"You do realize this question makes no sense and is impossible to answer."


No, the question makes perfect sense.


For example, if concealed weapon permit carriers were shooting people left and right, you would have a truck load of news to slam into this thread.

They are not.
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