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Old 07-17-2002, 07:45 PM   #76
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Ah, Bubba, the true mettle of the man always rises to the top...how very Christian of you to throw out the f word when things aren't going your way...I have no respect for you...the little I had you just blew. I don't associate with individuals in my personal life who use such foul language...and I'm not about to converse with one here any further. You are only serving to give Christian conservatives a bad name with that sort of outburst and it sheds a lot of light on your character.

In closing, I would only add that many examples exist of Republican efforts to destroy the environment, starve kids, and hurt the elderly...I'm just not going to take the time to spell them out for you, well, ok...maybe just one for the road.......ANWAR.

Mods...am I mistaken or do I not recall reading somewhere in our user agreement that profanity would not be tolerated...maybe someone could reinforce this requirement to Bubba...I find his use of profanity most offensive. Thank you.
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Okay. So me using the word "fuck" is MUCH MORE offensive than you accusing my political party of ATTEMPTED MURDER, an accusation you CONTINUE to put forward

What the fuck is wrong with you?

(As an aside, to say that drilling in ANWR may hurt the environment is a BIT different than saying that the GOP wants to drill IN ORDER TO hurt the environment. Either way, I have no idea how drilling in ANWR leads to starving kids and dead grandmothers. I'd appreciate it if you could connect the dots.)

In conclusion, I don't care that you've lost all respect for me.

You have repeatedly stated that my political party WANTS to kill the elderly, starve children, and destroy the planet.

How much respect could you have had to begin with?
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I probably shouldn't post here........I don't like controversy, and damn, this is war! We had a hellacious political dispute on another U2 discussion list. U.S. liberals and conservatives were really spitting on each other. It was depressing. I mean, I can think someone's opinion isn't necessarily right, as in correct, but also isn't necessarily immoral. I don't smell ulterior motives on either side. Maybe it's because I was a philosophy minor in school and couldn't have passed my courses if I'd been crystallized in my beliefs. I'm a practicing Catholic and I took a religion class taught by an agnostic, which was full of various and sundry forms of skeptics. I was allowed to write my term paper on a traditional Catholic topic, which I won't bore you with (it's a very dense theological argument from the early Middle Ages). Now mind you, I had to argue both sides of the dispute. I couldn't just use my opinion and not do any research. I couldn't exactly scream "heretic" at the other side. I would have flunked the hell out of the thing. That's sort of what I think of when I think of "freeing your mind".
Catholics using the word "hell" and not meaning it literally? You bet. You should have heard the priest who confirmed me at our Pentecost party.
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...I just sincerely believe it is more prevalent amongst the GOP-nationally and in this forum.
but what is currently going on in this forum?
who is the one that is stirring all of the shite here?


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It never fails that when I watch a politically oriented show that 9 times out of 10 the Republican starts the "attack".
You've obviously never watched a liberal show.... example PI with Bill Maher

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A fine example of this is just last night on MSNBC's "Donahue". Donahue devoted his entire show to discussing the Patriot Act...and hands down his right wing guest Mr. May of some conservative public interest group whose only goal is to strip us of our civil liberties and turn America into a quasi police state was aggressive, nasty and relentless as he berated everyone from a civil liberties attorney to a poor middle aged Muslim woman whose husband has been illegally detained since October...with no charges brought against him...other than being Muslim. Mr. May "personally attacked" the civil liberties attorney and insulted this innocent Middle Eastern woman on national TV. He showed an inability to debate without making it personal...that is what burns me. It was compassionate conservatism at it's best.
SO you are mad at all 6-7 conservatives in this forum cause of a damn tv show???

Grow up son

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The record will show that I've tried extending an "olive branch" and striking a concilliatory chord with some conservative members...
ohhhhhhh.........you mean like you are doing right now with Bubba?
some olive branch

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and that by and large I've never challenged their intellect (one exception being z edge-who shows no interest in being polite).
after 130 posts, you know everything about me?

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Two wrongs don't make a right...
yet you continue these attacks against conservatives for what????

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but in my mind I'm challenging the perception that us liberals are "whimmpy".
and who said that?
you are being presumptious



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"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God". I am reminded of this verse daily...especially when I'm visiting this forum. I think all Christians here can appreciate the fact that our sinful human ways get the best of us from time to time...so understand that many times it would be better for me (and others too) to "walk away" from the fight...instead of jumping right in. Satan wins some of the battles, too...regrettably.

Rob
ANd who is it that you are comparing to Satan?????

elaborate please.

I hope you are not twisting my religion around to fit your little arguement

You are bring hypocritical

everyone can see it

You have done a fine job of proving your point to everyone but yourself
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Well, I'm glad you aren't surprised. I often feel the mods and admins are responsible for some of the negative comments in these forums. Often, admins are all to quick to close a thread, simply because they do not approve of it. This creates additional hostility and does not allow for a healthy discussion where issues can be resolved. While some threads need to be closed, I have often thought some mods/admins were a little too "trigger-happy" with their power. Additionally, the mods/admins are just as guilty of instigating nasty comments or prolonging negative discussions as they will make little side comments, post confusing smileys or ask loaded questions, like the one asked here in this thread, cause strong negative reactions. For this thread to be anything BUT ugly would seem inappropriate to the question asked.

Therefore, if you want to "clean up" Interference, lead by example.

Very well said Doctorwho!

I will say that in the past few weeks that I have seen all the mods concentrate more on fairness
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even though I admit that I posted this thread while being extremely pissed off (and it takes a lot to piss me off) because of certain comments I read in other threads

was that a wise decision?
maybe not,
another option was to forget I am a mod and just rip into the person who annoyed me

would that have been a better decision?
I think not

my last option was to just keep my mouth shut
again
would that solve anything?
this place does a nice enough job of getting out of control without any help of me or so called "loaded questions" from me

I asked what "free your mind" means to you
the reason why I asked it is because I genuinely feel some members do about anything they can think of in this forum except for being open to other people's believes, convictions etc etc
I added the part of "using it against you" because I was pissed off and because I actually would use it against anyone if I should ever get this pissed of again

Perhaps if you are really that pissed at some individual then perhaps you should use some method of telling them so they know.

I think asking this question with the sole intention of using it against this individual is probably taking the low road
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You are Z Man, z edge.

If I may, an analogy.

There is a difference between killing civilians and WANTING to kill civilians. The difference is one of intent. The vast majority of the time, the United States military does not WANT to kill civilians, does not intentionally kill civilians, and does its best to avoid doing so while still accomplishing its military objectives.

On other hand, the terrorists that sent passenger jets into the World Trade Center WANTED TO KILL CIVILIANS. They and their leadership gloried in the possibility of killing as many innocent lives as possible.


What does this have to do with the conversation at hand?

Well, I believe that even IF Republican policies hurt the environment, children, and the elderly, that such damage is NEVER the intent. There are NO "Republican efforts to destroy the environment, starve kids, and hurt the elderly."

To suggest otherwise, to suggest that we INTENTIONALLY plan the deaths of senior citizens is to suggest that we are simply evil - at LEAST as evil as the al Queda terrorists.

Rob, you ARE repeatedly making such an accusation, and it is FAR, FAR more offensive than my use of any profanity.
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You are Z Man, z edge.

If I may, an analogy.

There is a difference between killing civilians and WANTING to kill civilians. The difference is one of intent. The vast majority of the time, the United States military does not WANT to kill civilians, does not intentionally kill civilians, and does its best to avoid doing so while still accomplishing its military objectives.
YES! How nice of someone to insinuate that we enjoy killing babies. Thanks! Anyone with half a brain who wants to know the truth please ask me about it.

One more time for those who don't know

z edge=army veteran / current government air force civilian

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On other hand, the terrorists that sent passenger jets into the World Trade Center WANTED TO KILL CIVILIANS. They and their leadership gloried in the possibility of killing as many innocent lives as possible.
once again correct
even my ( a liberal) mother is supporting Bush and was shocked into disbelief as the nature of these bastards has unveiled, including on the news program where they foiled a plot to blow up 10 Boeing 747's ( in 95 or 96) and had her thinking aloud "i dont care what happend to those people (terrorists)"


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What does this have to do with the conversation at hand?

Well, I believe that even IF Republican policies hurt the environment, children, and the elderly, that such damage is NEVER the intent. There are NO "Republican efforts to destroy the environment, starve kids, and hurt the elderly."

To suggest otherwise, to suggest that we INTENTIONALLY plan the deaths of senior citizens is to suggest that we are simply evil - at LEAST as evil as the al Queda terrorists.

Rob, you ARE repeatedly making such an accusation, and it is FAR, FAR more offensive than my use of any profanity.
AMEN Bubba
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ROBBIE PLEZ TAKE HEED...

MrSomeoneRobbieToBlame-
Please be more openminded as you encourage us Republican folk to be.
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Ah, the All Opinions Are Valid school of thought.

Three problems with this belief:

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2) Those like Rafmed claim to believe that "all opinions are valid," but they can't POSSIBLY mean it. Otherwise, they would never criticize anyone else's opinion. Ever.

What they really believe is "all opinions are valid, except for those that believe otherwise." That's a BIT different, and it seems like a very arbitrary line to draw.


3) In the end, nobody REALLY believes this brand of subjectivism, anyway.

Rafmed claims that "I only know that I don't know anything." I don't think he really believes it.

First, I bet he believes such obvious truths as "1+1=2." Beyond that, if someone wrongs Rafmed - takes something that belongs to him or lies about him - I bet he REALLY thinks that an objective moral law was actually broken.

Otherwise, most humans would never appeal to things like "fairness," would never try to explain to the other why his action was wrong.
2) To disagree doesn't mean to disrespect, I never said one can't criticize a position or a point of view, or in your case, many times your "dogmas" or your infalible "truth", if you can't accept that people around the world can have another opinions and point of views, then what is the point in a forum like this one?

3) You obviously have no idea what "I only know that I don't know anything" was meant for.

In any case, the first to state that I'm not perfect or have the ultimate truth, its me, obviously not your case, maybe you need that the world work exactly and perfectly by your own set of rules, and if someone disagree with you, seems like the cosmic order may be broken, seriously I think this is a place to share opinions not to preach.
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Upon second consideration - and talking with my girlfriend, if you must know the truth of it - I have come to the conclusion that my reaction to Rob's posts were not in any way a Christian reaction.

Rob accused a political party, the party to which I am affiliated, of conspiring to kill the old, starve the young, and destroy the planet - he accused my party of being evil.

I should have turned the other cheek, and I did not. I should have not used any profanities, called the comment idiotic, or even defended my party from such accusations.

In defense of my behavior, I would ask all of you to consider whether you could have held your tongue given such comments. I would also ask, before you accuse me of constantly behaving this way, consider how I've acted in the religion threads; when I have faced opinions that were very different to my own - different, but well-reasoned and certainly not offensive - I have been more than capable of maintaining a very civil debate.

But for my actions here, I apologize.

In the end, I ask only two things. First, I ask that everyone would consider how offensive Rob's accusation really is and refrain from such an accusation unless there is an avanlanche of evidence to suggest otherwise. Second, I ask the moderators to consider equating such an accusation to the use of the "Nazi" epithet - a word that Elvis has already criticized in detail.

If that is not going to happen, I would appreciate the moderators telling us as quickly as possible, so that we conservative Republicans can reconsider whether the discussions in this forum are worth the cost of subjecting ourselves to this openly hostile environment.

Either way, I sincerely apologize and pledge to improve my control of my temper.
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Hey, Bubba, it happens to the best of us. I can see how you lost it. I can see why you'd be upset at that sort of accusation. I admit to being, uh, more leftist in my political views than you are, but I'd never say that about conservative Republicans. I'm capable of lighting a few fireworks upon occasion myself. Sometimes I get peeved at my fellow liberals, and yes, sometimes I get peeved at conservatives. But accusing someone of blatantly plotting to kill or whatever isn't something I'd ever do. I'm glad you've settled on the right thing to do--i agree with you there---but don't judge yourself too harshly. At the end of a day we're all flesh and blood.
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In closing, I would only add that many examples exist of Republican efforts to destroy the environment, starve kids, and hurt the elderly...I'm just not going to take the time to spell them out for you, well, ok...maybe just one for the road.......ANWAR.
What about the Alaskan Democrats and the labor union people who support drilling in ANWR? Does this mean they are joining in on the effort to destroy the environment, starve kids, and hurt the elderly?

And conversely, does that mean that the entire bi-partisan delegation of Florida, along with their Republican governor and House & Senate, want to save the environment, feed kids, and heal the elderly, since they are opposed to drilling in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico, whilst Alabama and Mississippi's Democratic governors and bi-partisan delegation (except for Bachus) WANT to drill in the region?

Forget about it; I agree with Sula here:

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Quite frankly, I'm getting sick of all the shit being thrown around here. It stinketh.
I have friends on both sides of the aisle in this forum, but the anger being thrown about is depressing. Maybe I really should "take my ball and go home." Or at least take my BEACH ball and go float in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico.

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don't you be goin' nowhere, mister! yours is a refreshing voice in here.
You don't have to call me "mister," ma'am; THE WHOLE WORLD CALLS ME HANK!

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