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Old 01-23-2002, 02:22 PM   #16
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Freedom fucking rules forever , movies must be real and totally 100% free of censors , but ofcource there should be all these " PG-13 " stuff , only this .
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Old 01-23-2002, 02:42 PM   #17
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I believe that sex in a movie is wrong. I also believe that gratuitis (sp?) killing is wrong. If the violence is central to the theme of the movie and actually has a good point to it, it is okay, I believe. For an example of that, to make a movie about Jesus Christ, you must show the crucifixion, for that is the central them of the story, and you can't make it look stupid. It's got to look like what it was - the most painful method of execution of those times. Also, war movies, violence is a necessary part of a movie about World War 2. So sometimes, violence is necessary. But killing for killing's sake, and excessive blood and gore? What good does that do? None, I think.
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Old 01-23-2002, 04:27 PM   #18
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80s writes:
Your post is the one with flaws:
1)Where did I assume that the entire country is Christian?
2)Who said anything about making these kinds of movies illgal? If you think I said that, show me where I said it. I said I think it's wrong to show sex in movies. That was my answer to the question that was asked.
3)I don't expect the media to parent my child. Believe me, I don't want this secular society to parent my child. But you know what? It's absolutely impossible to watch your child 24 hours a day. Media should eb MUCH MUCH more responsible.


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I apoligize if I misinterpreted your response. I thought that you were saying that Sex shouldn't be allowed in movies because "As a Christian, you feel that premarital sex, and sex in movies is wrong"!! I was just speaking on behalf on Non-Christians, who don't like having their freedom taken away because of other's beliefs.

However, I do stand by my belief that parents should be responsible for what children are viewing and not the media. You are right, Parents can't be with their kids 24/7, but it is up to the parents to ensure that their children are surrounded by people (teachers, babysitters, friends, etc) that share similar values, and to instill these values into their children by the time that they get to an age where they can make their own decisions about what to watch.


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1) I think we need to give children more credit than we'd like to give them. Children are more perceptive and can discern fact from fiction if we give them the chance, but perhaps it is parental nature to think that your children are perpetually four years old. I think that the approach that Anthony's father did with him on "Alien" was the responsible way to handle the issue. Suppression often leads to rebellion and obsession with the exact things we're forbidden to do.

2) The film rating system is a reflection of tradition and cultural bias. In America, hate speech is readily protected, but not sex. Hence, all the push for internet regulation in Congress was on regulating pornography. Never mind that the KKK and the Aryan Nation can have a ready audience.

In Europe, from what I've surmised, it is the opposite: the push for internet regulation has been on regulating hate speech. Sex is more culturally acceptable in media. I can only think this to be the case, because America was founded on Puritanism and Europe is still scarred from World War II and Nazism (not to mention it sent all of its religious "fanatics" to America in the 1600s and 1700s). Hence, you have two different sets of priorities.

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One more thing...

The solution should be to reform the "R" and "NC-17" rating systems. As it stands, both sex and violence is lumped in one category, regardless if it is gratuitous or appropriate for the subject matter. Perhaps we need a subcategory with both:

"GS" = gratuitous sex
"GV" = gratuitious violence
"GSV" = gratuitous sex and violence
"AS" = artistic sex
"AV" = artistic violence
"ASV" = artistic sex and violence

Hence, I would have rated the uncensored "Eyes Wide Shut," "NC-AS," to let people know that there is sex done in an artistic way, but is inappropriate for children. "Saving Private Ryan" should have received "R-AV," since the violence was appropriate for the story. "Debbie Does Dallas" should get "NC-GS" and "Natural Born Killers" "R-GV." Does this make any sense?

I think that NC-17 rated films do deserve a way into the theatres, but, as it stands, it undeservedly has been lumped in the same category as pornography, which is unfair. Other nations successfully have mature films in theatres, but America hasn't had the same luck. That needs to be changed.

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In America, hate speech is readily protected, but not sex.
ah yes, the old you have freedom of speech as long as it isn't about your penis debate

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Suppression often leads to rebellion and obsession with the exact things we're forbidden to do.
Exactly.

Reminds me, I'm still waiting for that talk from Mom...

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Exactly.

Reminds me, I'm still waiting for that talk from Mom...

Well, here you go:

Remember that the boy just zips up his pants and goes home. The girl gets stuck with a loaf in the oven.
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Melon, I love your posts.

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[quote]Originally posted by spinninghead77:
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Religious beliefs. As a Christian, I believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong. I believe that anything that promotes sex outside of marriage is wrong. I also believe that sex is something that is for the privacy of the bedroom, between a man and his wife. Parents need to be open with their kids about sex, but the movie theatre is not where kids need to learn about it.
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I respect everyone else's opinion in this matter, but the above comment has one major flaw. It is assuming that everyone is Christian. Since you are living in a country that has freedom of religion, media should not be based on what one religious group deems to be moral, or immoral.

Sex doesn't just exist between married people, and whether or not we think that is right, it doesn't change that fact. Sex occurs in many different situations, between man and woman, between man and man, between man and prostitute, between married woman and single man, between 4 people at a time, etc. I feel that there is nothing wrong with showing these different types of relationships, as long as the movie is rated accordingly.
What I do feel is wrong, is when people expect the media to do their parenting for them. If you don't want your kids to see Sex and Violence in a movie, then don't let them!!!

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Your post is the one with flaws:
1)Where did I assume that the entire country is Christian?
2)Who said anything about making these kinds of movies illgal? If you think I said that, show me where I said it. I said I think it's wrong to show sex in movies. That was my answer to the question that was asked.
3)I don't expect the media to parent my child. Believe me, I don't want this secular society to parent my child. But you know what? It's absolutely impossible to watch your child 24 hours a day. Media should eb MUCH MUCH more responsible.


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Religious beliefs. As a Christian, I believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong. I believe that anything that promotes sex outside of marriage is wrong. I also believe that sex is something that is for the privacy of the bedroom, between a man and his wife. Parents need to be open with their kids about sex, but the movie theatre is not where kids need to learn about it.

I respect everyone else's opinion in this matter, but the above comment has one major flaw. It is assuming that everyone is Christian. Since you are living in a country that has freedom of religion, media should not be based on what one religious group deems to be moral, or immoral.

Sex doesn't just exist between married people, and whether or not we think that is right, it doesn't change that fact. Sex occurs in many different situations, between man and woman, between man and man, between man and prostitute, between married woman and single man, between 4 people at a time, etc. I feel that there is nothing wrong with showing these different types of relationships, as long as the movie is rated accordingly.
What I do feel is wrong, is when people expect the media to do their parenting for them. If you don't want your kids to see Sex and Violence in a movie, then don't let them!!!
1)Who said anything about making these kinds of movies illgal? If you think I said that, show me where I said it. I said I think it's wrong to show sex in movies. That was my answer to the question that was asked.
2)I don't expect the media to parent my child. Believe me, I don't want this secular society to parent my child. But you know what? It's absolutely impossible to watch your child 24 hours a day. Media should eb MUCH MUCH more responsible.
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In the Netherlands, we have these icons to go with the ratings:

Violence
Fear
Alcohol or drug abuse
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yes Klod, how do we come up with this stuff?

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I do like the sex icon.


Actually Melon's idea sounds pretty logical.
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I like sex in movies, unless people are getting chopped up after they're done.

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