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Old 10-04-2004, 07:26 PM   #16
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Old 10-04-2004, 07:29 PM   #17
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Mr. Gallup is no longer running the Gallup poll. I suppose ABC is run by a major GOP contributor since they still have the President up 5 points after the debate. I'd also like someone to point out a legitimate poll that has Bush behind on any of those three issues. Bush has a double digit lead in most of them and is ahead in all of them that I have seen.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...oll/index.html
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Old 10-04-2004, 07:38 PM   #18
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The Gallup fetish strikes again!!

Do you realize that their polling methods are extremely sketchy? They VASTLY overweight Republicans, and they're clearly slanted Republican (their CEO is a major GOP contributor).
That was ONE poll where there were SLIGHTLY more Republicans than usual. The latest poll had a breakdown similar to the 2000 election as to the number of Independents, Republicans, and Democrats.
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Old 10-04-2004, 07:39 PM   #19
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For your enjoyment!

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...oll/index.html

The latest GALLUP poll shows that voters prefer:

Bush on Iraq!

51% for Bush 44% for Kerry

Bush on Terrorism!

56% for Bush 39% for Kerry

Bush on who is the strongest leader!

56% for Bush 37% for Kerry
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For your enjoyment!

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...oll/index.html
Are we talking about the same thing here? I'm talking about Strong Leader the war in iraq and terrorism as my post clearly states. Not the overall poll of registered voters.
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I'm betting the Newsweek numbers are similar.
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Bush on who is the strongest
How strong is he
if he can be taken out by a pretzel?
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How strong is he
if he can be taken out by a pretzel?
Oh yeah the usual stuff instead of proof and facts a smack. Thats nice. Lets just say that 56% of Americans think he can overcome the pretzel issue along with terrorists. As opposed to 37% for Kerry without a snack food issue.
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The President will have to go on the attack. Foreign policy was supposed to be the issue that he could really "get" Kerry on. At the very least I think the President missed an opportunity to do that.
There were several times when, instead of saying something to directly dispute Kerry, he said "Being President is hard work." No duh! Kerry got a few lucky breaks with Bush being a pussy.


The problem now is that Bush may come out like an attack dog. Kerry will remain calm and do the same thing he did the other night and Bush will come off as being an attacker, trying to bait a fight. Remember Gore? Went from sighs to showing no emotion. People hated too much emotion and no emotion.

In addition, Bush's supposed strength was foreign policy. How is he going to do domestically? Not good, based on his track record.
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There were several times when, instead of saying something to directly dispute Kerry, he said "Being President is hard work." No duh! Kerry got a few lucky breaks with Bush being a pussy.


The problem now is that Bush may come out like an attack dog. Kerry will remain calm and do the same thing he did the other night and Bush will come off as being an attacker, trying to bait a fight. Remember Gore? Went from sighs to showing no emotion. People hated too much emotion and no emotion.

In addition, Bush's supposed strength was foreign policy. How is he going to do domestically? Not good, based on his track record.
You are right Kerry did get lucky because Bush was off his game. Not because he had more substance or is a better debater or is more in touch with the facts or any other reason. Bush had a bad night and Kerry took advantage.
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Bush is perfectly capable of doing a good job in a debate. He did this in 2000. He was off his game during the first debate, but I'm sure he'll work very hard not to repeat. The catch is that domestic policy is not his strength, his strength is national security.
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Im glad President Bush didn't demand a Purple Heart for the pretzel incident.

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I haven't seen the first debate, just news clips and what I've read. I did see the whole thing for 2 of the Bush/Gore debates. Gore was all facts and figures. Bush was all smart arse. Bush kicked Gores butt in those debates because people responded to personality. So this time around, was Bush off his game just in regards to the substance or was he just flat in all areas?

I had expected these debates to be pretty similar to 2000, only updated to suit the times. Kerry would (hopefully) come out with all the stats and evidence to prove Bush wrong and tear him to shreds. Bush would smile, lean over the podium like its a bar, make some simplified comment that makes Kerry look like a nerd (haha! nerd!) then stand up and spit out some Jerry Bruckheimer line about liberty and tyranny or some shit and that would be that. Bush 1, Kerry 0. Fox News goes mad.

What went wrong? Did he just lack in general? Did he lose, or did Kerry win?
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Im glad President Bush didn't demand a Purple Heart for the pretzel incident.

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