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Old 11-29-2001, 08:50 PM   #31
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i'm certain you've never done it, but what do you think of those american backpackers who sport the canadian flag instead of their own for a more 'peaceful' image?
Well, let's see here. If you're an American abroad at a time like this and you think that some random person might decide to unleash their anti-American sentiments against you for no reason other than your nationality...you might be tempted to prevent that from happening. If it meant the difference between life and death in a close situation? If someone with a grudge against your country wouldn't stop to ask you what your personal politics were? No, I've never done it, but I can certainly see why people might. What the ramifications are, I'm not sure. Does it bother you? And if so, why?

For myself, in Europe whenever I found myself in situations where I judged it might not be a good idea to be American, I just started speaking Indonesian. Not only do very few people in Europe speak it, but it's certainly not English. Besides, everyone knows Americans can't speak multiple languages.

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Old 11-29-2001, 09:58 PM   #32
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Does it bother you? And if so, why?
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no, not at all. it's a compliment, imo, to canada's international reputation.
i was just wondering.

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Old 11-29-2001, 11:11 PM   #33
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Excuse me, but how would you know what we get educated on? Did you go to any schools here?


Well, sorry, maybe "educated" was NOT the appropriate word to use...I just meant what you're exposed to in terms of radio, the telly, newsprint, etc...and er, YES, I would know that because we do receive it all up here...It just happens to be ethnocentric, that's all.

And Wanderer, you know what I mean....(who said something about repeating yourself 3 times to Americans??? )

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Well, sorry, maybe "educated" was NOT the appropriate word to use...I just meant what you're exposed to in terms of radio, the telly, newsprint, etc...and er, YES, I would know that because we do receive it all up here...It just happens to be ethnocentric, that's all.
Ah, I understand that, then.

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I think the Canadian school do teach more about America then America does of Canada. I know this because in a social class i was in we watched a video about it. They gave a comparison of how children from canada in the grades 1-6 and 7-9 and 10-12 learn more about america.

I definitlly think Canadians know more about America then america does about us. I am not joking you, i can name 47 states. Sick isnt it. I tried it once. I had a bet with a buddy i could name more then he in 5 minutes. I won. He had 43.

I could name 10 presidents off the top of my head. And its not just me many canadians could. It has to do with the media as well. But i still think Canada is a state. Soon enough this country along with Mexico will join with the US with a American Dollar. Many 'experts' say it was 15 years but with our dollar so low it could be 7-10 yrs.

But i love canada.

And i love our I AM CANADIAN commercials. The best ever!!!

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Bonochick-- I've come to realize the UP is good for some things. Its not polluted and you get days off school for the beginning of hunting season. I'm not sure about the hunting thing but the days off school thing rocks!

To give this thread a more light-hearted note, I would suggest downloading a song called "Canada is Really Big" from the Arrogant Worms. Its cool.

"We're the second largest country on the planet earth, and if Russia keeps on shrinking then soon we'll be first. As long as we keep Quebec."
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no, not at all. it's a compliment, imo, to canada's international reputation.
i was just wondering.
Yeah, I think you can take it as a compliment. Canadians are well-liked and if there are people that want to pretend to be one of you, then it speaks well of your reputation.

But to return to your original question, kobayashi. What does the typical American think of Canadians? Here's what I have found to be usual responses...
1. Cold (Ice, snow, north, etc)
2. Hockey
3. Beer
4. "Eh"
5. Quebec



Like you said, a lack of exposure to all things Canadian probably contributes to that. But it's no different for Americans. When I go overseas and talk to people about their perceptions of what life in the States is like, often I find that their ideas are based on what they've seen on movies or TV. And as we all know, that's not always (if ever) an accurate representation of "real life America" just as the impressions we receive of Canadians through the mass media are lacking. Wouldn't you agree?

Finally, I think that Canadians could go a long way by not constantly comparing themselves to Americans. Last night I was thinking about what I said earlier in this thread about an "inferiority complex." And I came to the conclusion that the reason it looks like Canadians have one is because sometimes they seem to measure their national identity by how they are UNLIKE Americans. Wouldn't it be much better to just forget about the U.S. and be proud Canadians on the basis of "this is what Canada stands for and is all about" rather than "Thank God I am Canadian, because we are so not like Americans"? Nine times out of ten, when I get into this discussion with my Canadian counterparts, the "good stuff" about being Canadian sounds more like "this is why Canada is BETTER THAN the States." Like there is something to be proved. I don't quite understand why Canadians have to prove their superiority by downing the States because imho Canada has a lot going for it solely on the basis of its merit alone. I like Canadians. I have found them to be kind and generous people, intelligent and knowledgeable about the world around them, and generally fun to be around. I like Canada. I have found it to be a beautiful country with its own character and quirks and sense of community.

So, I dunno. Be proud of your Canadian-ness. And we'll be proud of our American-ness. I see nothing wrong with celebrating both the similarities and the differences. It's not a crime if there are aspects of our cultures that intermesh. It doesn't mean we're taking over your country any more than it means you're taking over ours. We can share, right? After all, we can share a big continent like North America and not invade each other.

That's my $.02 (CAD)

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i agree wholeheartedly, sula. as i said earlier, we as a country fail to realize what we really have here when our greatest sense of national pride comes from the molson beer company.
and you might wanna get rid of the two canadian pennies today cause pretty soon, they will only be worth one of your pennies. when that happens, and we are forced to use your currency we can have this discussion again.
anywho i think this thread has run it's course and in the end all that really matters is that our hockey team kicks yours and everyone else's ass in slc in a few months.

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well I am kind of upset about you guys getting the better half of any natural wonders we share. Niagra Falls, the Rocky Mountains... the Canadian parts are better. *sigh* How did you pull that one off?

oh, I'm gonna save those pennies right along with the loonies.

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Old 11-30-2001, 04:32 PM   #41
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well I am kind of upset about you guys getting the better half of any natural wonders we share. Niagra Falls, the Rocky Mountains... the Canadian parts are better. *sigh* How did you pull that one off?

oh, I'm gonna save those pennies right along with the loonies.

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we agreed to bend over and take free trade for those mountains ya know.

wait that gives me an idea, lets start a free trade thread!!!!
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Old 11-30-2001, 04:45 PM   #42
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we agreed to bend over and take free trade for those mountains ya know.

wait that gives me an idea, lets start a free trade thread!!!!
*groan* Oh no...not free trade.

here look at the pretty mountain.



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you are't trying to masquerade one of your beautiful iceland pictures as a beautiful canada picture are you?
and yes i am happy.

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nope, that's a genuine 100% Canadian photo. Taken on my roadtrip this spring. Kootenai National Park, I think. Or Banff...it was hard to tell where one started and the other began.

See? Banff.


Now we're all happy.

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But i love canada.

And i love our I AM CANADIAN commercials. The best ever!!!

i'm sorry, i really don't mean to drag this thread out but i remember reading this comment after mine about how for a fair majority of canada the largest single source of national pride is beer commercials. namely the molson canadian, 'i am canadian' ads bonoman refers to. also classic is the last of the series where a young canada goes on a pro-canada rant about how great the nation is(the tragically hip medallion is cool). well here's a link to the market research that went into that ad.
perhaps most interesting of all is the fact that peoples 9-24 years of age were invited to discuss canada!
what the hell is molson doing talking to 9 year olds?
hahaha, my best guess is it's a typo tho, it's pretty funny when you're reading it.
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