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Old 07-07-2004, 07:58 PM   #31
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most of mexico is cleaner than Detroit though...
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Old 07-07-2004, 08:43 PM   #32
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Let me start by saying that what I am about to say is MY TAKE on this topic, I do not pretend to speak for Canadians in general, although I'm sure there are lots who'd agree with me.

First of all, there is LOTS that I LOVE about the US. I always have a wonderful time when I'm there and most of my best friends are American. Even my boyfriend is American!!! I think Americans are warm and friendly and enthusiastic, and the country is beautiful, with every climate imaginable. I adore American TV and movies, and they have some truly outstanding rock bands and ballet companies too! Plus they have Bob Evans and Cold Stone Ice cream!

They don't have ketchup chips and butter tarts though.

Anyway, I think some Canadians grow up resenting the US because we are always in its shadow. In fact, sometimes I wonder why the US just doesn't take us over...but I digress.

I think the thing that bugs Canadians more than ANYTHING in the world about the US is 1) the total ignorance - and lack of interest about Canada (or any other country for that matter) shown by the majority of the populace, and 2) the bombardment we get every day that Americans think that the USA is #1 (which is natural of course) and screw everyone else (which is the annoying part). Americans are not as a group known for their humility. Since we are swamped with American media and "rah rah USA" day and night, we feel the least the US could do is realise we exist. You know...get to know your neighbour?

For example. I was in the US for the 4th of July. No one could believe that we have fireworks and barbeques and things of that sort in Canada. (we are too busy keeping warm in our igloos I guess).

Many Americans (and Paul has had direct experience with this) confuse communism and socialism. They actually think that the state owns my condo, and that every cent I make is taken back by the gov't, so NO WONDER I would want to move to the US so I could make some money! When Paul told them this wasn't true, they said "check your facts!" This kind of thing I find very scary indeed. People at the BBQ also wanted to know exactly what I thought of America and "we sure are different from the French and the Germans, aren't we!!!" As if there was nothing worse.

And then you have shows like "Talking to Americans" where Americans on the street are interviewed by a comedian who is pretending to be a journalist telling Americans things about Canada and asking them to congratulate us on things like making staplers legal, on finally "joining North America", acquiring 24 hour time....mind boggling things. They buy it all hook line and sinker. This is why we are so impressed by people like Michael Moore who know all about Canadian politics.

So it's stuff like this that we are exposed to every day. We are also TERRIFIED of getting a "US style healthcare system", and any other things that might make us closer to being just another American state. The worst mistake Stephen Harper made was to write a letter to the US and publish it in major newspapers apologizing on behalf of Canada for not participating in the Iraq war. We do not need someone kissing Bush's ass on our collective behalf, especially when the vast majority of the country wanted nothing to do with that war.

GWB of course is the EPITOME of everything bad about Americans and just takes the cake. Our officials shouldn't have been so stupid as to say things like that in public, but let's face it, he IS a moron!!! We are horrified that so many Americans love him. I have yet to find a Canadian who can say his name without cringing. So for this reason, many Canadians tend to make blanket statements about *all* Americans which is totally wrong of course.

Melon? You? Loud??? You are one of the quietest people I've met!
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I work (in Canada) taking calls for Hallmark from the States. People frequently ask where I'm from...I get all kinds of responses when I say we're in Nova Scotia, for example:

"Nova Scotia?!? You're in EUROPE???"

"Nova Scotia! Wow, we went there on our vacation, it's beautiful up there!"

"Nova Scotia...don't y'all have snow up there this time of year?"

"Nova Scotia, hmm...? well...alright..."

"Nova Scotia. That's weird."

"Nova Scotia?? Where is that?"

"Nova Scotia...? It must be cold up there...30 degrees maybe?"

"Nova Scotia? That's awesome! I've never spoken to a Nova Scotianer."

"Nova Scotia? That's in Canada, right...? Y'all just had an election didn't you?"

"Nova Scotia, hmm? I see."

"Nova Scotia!??!? I'M NOT DEALING WITH ANY GOD DAMNED CANADIAN!! *click*"

"Nova Scotia...? You guys are Canadian right? Yes? Why are you stealing American jobs?"

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Old 07-07-2004, 11:10 PM   #34
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Nova Scotia? That's in Canada, right...? Y'all just had an election didn't you?"
Hey, that's pretty good, I'm impressed!

Speaking of Nova Scotia, I wonder how many Americans thought Nova Scotia was in the US when Bono introduced "Ballad of Springhill (Mining Disaster)" as an American folk song back in the late 80s...
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Well I got that call today. I spent 20 minutes explaining how our parliament works in a minority situation. He loved it.

Made me damn proud.

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They don't have ketchup chips and butter tarts though.
...and now I'm going to show my ignorance as a result of growing up here in America...what exactly are those?

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I think the thing that bugs Canadians more than ANYTHING in the world about the US is 1) the total ignorance - and lack of interest about Canada (or any other country for that matter) shown by the majority of the populace,
I can see where that'd be annoying, definitely. I know a few Canadians from other boards, and did a report on that country back in 9th grade, so that helps me some, but there's still a lot I have yet to learn about Canada. I personally love learning about other countries. . I've sadly never gotten a chance to go outside the U.S. (I've never even been outside the continental U.S. to our other two states, Alaska or Hawaii), but if I ever get the chance to do so someday...that'd be awesome.

In regards to what was said early on in this thread about us Americans asking questions three times in a row and stuff...well, yeah, we're gonna ask, especially if we've never been to that place before. I'm guessing they're just making sure they've got their facts straight by doing that.

As for the loudness part...I'm a rather quiet person overall offline, so I don't know if I'd be much of a problem regarding that whole thing.

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and 2) the bombardment we get every day that Americans think that the USA is #1 (which is natural of course) and screw everyone else (which is the annoying part). Americans are not as a group known for their humility.
I'd also definitely have to agree with this. Nothing wrong whatsoever with having pride in the nation you're from, but yeah, I definitely see what you're talking about with that. It was especially rather annoying during the war last year.

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For example. I was in the US for the 4th of July. No one could believe that we have fireworks and barbeques and things of that sort in Canada. (we are too busy keeping warm in our igloos I guess).
LOL, oh, geez.

The whole idea people have about you guys live in igloos makes me laugh.

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And then you have shows like "Talking to Americans" where Americans on the street are interviewed by a comedian who is pretending to be a journalist telling Americans things about Canada and asking them to congratulate us on things like making staplers legal, on finally "joining North America", acquiring 24 hour time....mind boggling things. They buy it all hook line and sinker.
That's pretty sad.

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The worst mistake Stephen Harper made was to write a letter to the US and publish it in major newspapers apologizing on behalf of Canada for not participating in the Iraq war. We do not need someone kissing Bush's ass on our collective behalf, especially when the vast majority of the country wanted nothing to do with that war.
I agree. Besides, according to what one person on another board said last year in regards to the Iraq war, you're our friends, you're supposed to tell us if you think we're making a mistake somewhere.

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GWB of course is the EPITOME of everything bad about Americans and just takes the cake. Our officials shouldn't have been so stupid as to say things like that in public, but let's face it, he IS a moron!!! We are horrified that so many Americans love him. I have yet to find a Canadian who can say his name without cringing.
Heh, yeah, the Canadians I've met haven't been too pleased with him, either.

But hey, here's one American who's far from being a Bush supporter, so....

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So for this reason, many Canadians tend to make blanket statements about *all* Americans which is totally wrong of course.
That's definitely true. As verte said, nobody should be making blanket statements about an entire country based on the actions of some of the people.

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'They live in a country that much like pre-9/11 America, thinks that terrorist attacks are something that happens in other countries. '

Sadly, Canadian know this is not true. Prior to 9/11 the single worst terrorist attack is credited to Canadian soil. In 1985, 329 people died on an Air India flight that originated out of Vancouver, Canada. One Canadian has been convicted of this crime and 2 others are currently before the courts.

It happened here - it can happen anywhere.
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"Nova Scotia! Wow, we went there on our vacation, it's beautiful up there!"
So how is that an ignorant statement? Would you rather us say, "Nova Scotia, what a hellhole!" ?

I was supposed to leave tomorrow for a 2 week vacation to the Maritimes, but my sister got in a car accident last month so we can't leave her alone....maybe I'm better off not going, since you and Mrs. Edge think we're all just a bunch of idiots anyway.
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I like Canada. When "Bowling for Columbine" says that the fear quotient between the U.S. and Canada is exponentially lower in Canada, I'd believe it. After visiting Canada a few times and studying a bit up on its media, it is difficult for me to watch American TV news now (it really is very fearmongering in comparison), and the contrast between Detroit and Windsor, Ont. is really that *different* in Moore's film. Personally, I find Windsor to be alright, but it is generally spoiled with all those 19 and 20 year-old Americans looking to get drunk there. :P

But I cannot say that Canada is perfect. They have their own set of problems. For instance, it really appears as if the provinces really hate each other. The Western provinces resent the East, specifically Ontario. Québec is in its own world, really. But I think what sticks out the most for me really is the latent resentment of the United States below them. I see this particularly in Canadian media. The TV and film productions out of Canada either are completely stripped of their Canadian identity and take place in the United States or tend to be cheesy. That isn't supposed to be a slight against Canadian talent; I think it is mostly due to that kind of defeatist attitude that "We're not America, so why should be try?" Maybe, but you don't need high budgets to make good television. And it's true. I thought "The Newsroom" was one of the best series that I've ever seen...period (and I haven't seen the 2004 series, so I can't comment on if it is worthy of the 1996 series that I love). In my opinion, Canada should stop focusing on being like the United States and, instead, carve a niche out for itself like BBC did in the UK. The BBC will never be NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, etc.; but nor does it need to be. CBC should try and carve out a successful Canadian identity; and, as for the rest of the networks in Canada, you don't carve out an identity making reality shows. :P What a cancer those things are...

So, there's my opinion on Canada, as an American who has spent some time in Canada and is looking possibly to move there this fall. Each nation has their own problems I guess, and nowhere will ever be perfect.

This thread, though, is really a testament to American fearmongering. Oh no...the Canadian children are out to get us! :P

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Kathleen, honestly, HOW can you say that about me after all these years???

Like I said, blanket statements are bad. I do NOT think you are all a bunch of idiots, I was explaining why Canadians have a problem with the US. There are lots of idiots everywhere, Canada included, believe me.
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Many Americans (and Paul has had direct experience with this) confuse communism and socialism.

This was SUCH an important point that I wanted to highlight it. I push for dropping the debt, for universal health care, *seriously* making education a national must, wiping out homelessness. And I have actually been called a communist for it.

Thanks for making the point, Mrs. Edge!

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So how is that an ignorant statement? Would you rather us say, "Nova Scotia, what a hellhole!" ?

I was supposed to leave tomorrow for a 2 week vacation to the Maritimes, but my sister got in a car accident last month so we can't leave her alone....maybe I'm better off not going, since you and Mrs. Edge think we're all just a bunch of idiots anyway.
Whoa whoa whoa!!

When did I EVER say any of those were ignorant statements?? I said here's some of what I hear...as you can tell, it's both extremes on there.

I resent that assumption about me. What you don't know is that I stand up for Americans. My mom loves to slag you guys, and I'm always the one telling her she's wrong.

Thanks for not reading anything else of my message though!
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For those of you who might enjoy a little Canada bashing instead (and I'm not saying you would...but one can't be too careful!), here's a LOVELY gem I found in another forum. It made me ill. In the oh so brilliant movie,
http://content.collegehumor.com/media/movies/canada.wmv everyone (yes, including the Canadians!!!) came across as idiots. It's all SO pathetic, it makes me wonder if it was staged. Either way, I can't believe people would be so juvenile as to find this funny or entertaining...it's just so stupid.




The thread is called America>Canada - Proof

The comments following this Academy Award worthy movie include (and this serves to highlight what I was trying to say in my post):


"LOL I love this video!!! GO AMERICA! fucking arse holes!!!!"

"Yea! The areseholes!"

"excellent quality movie... god, what will people think of americans now..."

"what the hell was that?"

"canooks gettin their arses beat... what else..."

(in response to "what will they think of us now") "it doesn't matter what they think aboot us"

"That was GREAT!!!! So funny!!!"

"just a bunch of asshole in a hotel. Kind of funny though. And nobody needs proof that America owns Canada.."

"That was Fuggin' great. What a bunch of jack asses."


So um yeah.....the next question might be what are THEY teaching THEIR children?
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So um yeah.....the next question might be what are THEY teaching THEIR children?
About Canada? Jack friggin' squat.
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This is why I reckon everyone should pick on the Kiwis. They're a choice punching bag, eh bro.
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