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Old 07-16-2006, 07:34 PM   #76
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religion is the cause of the majority, by far, of history's wars
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Old 07-16-2006, 07:47 PM   #78
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Thats just all kinds of wrong, you can maintain civil debate without granting respect to peoples views, especially when those views encompass the toxic and retrograde mechanisms of the human mind. The idea of tollerance extends up to being able to abide by peoples right to believe whatever they want to but at the same time it doesn't imbue protections of feelings, there is no right to have beliefs protected from criticism or challenge and that cuts over whichever school of thought one is coming from.
Wanderer, that may be true in real life, but that doesn't apply here. People on this forum quite often rasie a big fuss about "respecting others' views". My point is that if a certain group of people are expected to be respectful, everyone should be expected to be respectful.
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religion is the cause of the majority, by far, of history's wars
Really? Can you name all the wars and what their causes were? I can't think of one single war that the United States has been in that has been a "religious war", including the current war. Just because Bush believes that it was God's will that we attack Saddam does not make it a "religious war". We didn't attack Iraq to wage war with Muslims. The other wars we've been in don't even have a religious context at all, except for World War 2, and that was Hitler waging war against the Jews. By the way, did you know that Hitler said that Christianity was a plague upon the earth that needed to be done away with?
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By the way, did you know that Hitler said that Christianity was a plague upon the earth that needed to be done away with?
Hitler sure did hit the nail on the head that day.

JMScoopy also hit the nail on the head. Almost every single war pre 20th century was based on religion.

from the crusades in the 12th century to the british colonial wars in the 19th century.

etc etc
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Really? Can you name all the wars and what their causes were? I can't think of one single war that the United States has been in that has been a "religious war", including the current war. Just because Bush believes that it was God's will that we attack Saddam does not make it a "religious war". We didn't attack Iraq to wage war with Muslims. The other wars we've been in don't even have a religious context at all, except for World War 2, and that was Hitler waging war against the Jews. By the way, did you know that Hitler said that Christianity was a plague upon the earth that needed to be done away with?

i dont rember saying ALL wars were over religion.

did i say Iraq was a religious war? and was i talking only about the united states?

here ya go, a list of a few religious wars or wars with religious undertones

ever hear of The Crusades?

The Seven Years' War (Britain & France)
The American Revolution
The French Revolution
The Napoleonic Wars (France & Europe)
The Revolutions in the Americas
The Wars to create and preserve the British Empire (Boer War, Irish Revolution, and the Great Game with Russia would all be examples)
The American Civil War
The Crimean War
The Spanish-American War
The Great War, The War to End All Wars, or World War I (whatever you want to call it)
The Italian invasion of Ethiopia
The Spanish Civil War
Stalin's invasions of Finland, the Baltic states, and Poland
World War II
The Chinese Revolution
The Cold War, including but not limited to the Korean War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, the American intervention in Grenada, and the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan
The Cultural Revolution in China (If you don't want to call this a war I'll concede it)
Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge Revolution
The Six Day War
The Falklands War
The Persian Gulf War between Iran & Iraq
The Persian Gulf War between the United Nations and Iraq
The Breakup of Yugoslavia (beginning with Slovenia)

here is a more recent list:

Afghanistan Extreme, radical Fundamentalist Muslim terrorist groups & non-Muslims
Bosnia Serbian Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholic), Muslims
Côte d'Ivoire Muslims, Indigenous, Christian
Cyprus Christians & Muslims
East Timor Christians & Muslims
India Animists, Hindus, Muslims & Sikhs
Indonesia, province of Ambon Christians & Muslims
Indonesia, province of Halmahera Christians & Muslims
Kashmir Hindus & Muslims
Kosovo Serbian Orthodox Christians & Muslims
Kurdistan Christians, Muslims
Macedonia Macedonian Orthodox Christians & Muslims
Middle East Jews, Muslims, & Christians
Nigeria Christians, Animists, & Muslims
Northern Ireland Protestants, Catholics
Pakistan Suni & Shi'ite Muslims
Philippines Christians & Muslims
Russia,
Chechnya Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims
South Africa Animists & "Witches"
Sri Lanka Buddhists & Hindus
Sudan Animists, Christians & Muslims
Tibet Buddhists & Communists
Uganda Animists, Christians, & Muslims

i await your reply
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did i say Iraq was a religious war?

here ya go, a list of a few religious wars or wars with religious undertones

The Crusades
The Seven Years' War (Britain & France)
The American Revolution
The French Revolution
The Napoleonic Wars (France & Europe)
The Revolutions in the Americas
The Wars to create and preserve the British Empire (Boer War, Irish Revolution, and the Great Game with Russia would all be examples)
The American Civil War
The Crimean War
The Spanish-American War
The Great War, The War to End All Wars, or World War I (whatever you want to call it)
The Italian invasion of Ethiopia
The Spanish Civil War
Stalin's invasions of Finland, the Baltic states, and Poland
World War II
The Chinese Revolution
The Cold War, including but not limited to the Korean War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, the American intervention in Grenada, and the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan
The Cultural Revolution in China (If you don't want to call this a war I'll concede it)
Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge Revolution
The Six Day War
The Falklands War
The Persian Gulf War between Iran & Iraq
The Persian Gulf War between the United Nations and Iraq
The Breakup of Yugoslavia (beginning with Slovenia)
Afghanistan Extreme, radical Fundamentalist Muslim terrorist groups & non-Muslims
Bosnia Serbian Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholic), Muslims
Côte d'Ivoire Muslims, Indigenous, Christian
Cyprus Christians & Muslims
East Timor Christians & Muslims
India Animists, Hindus, Muslims & Sikhs
Indonesia, province of Ambon Christians & Muslims
Indonesia, province of Halmahera Christians & Muslims
Kashmir Hindus & Muslims
Kosovo Serbian Orthodox Christians & Muslims
Kurdistan Christians, Muslims
Macedonia Macedonian Orthodox Christians & Muslims
Middle East Jews, Muslims, & Christians
Nigeria Christians, Animists, & Muslims
Northern Ireland Protestants, Catholics
Pakistan Suni & Shi'ite Muslims
Philippines Christians & Muslims
Russia,
Chechnya Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims
South Africa Animists & "Witches"
Sri Lanka Buddhists & Hindus
Sudan Animists, Christians & Muslims
Tibet Buddhists & Communists
Uganda Animists, Christians, & Muslims
and the rest
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Hitler sure did hit the nail on the head that day.
Do you realize the implications of what you're saying?
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yeah , I wish Christianity never existed .

so wot ? i dont want you all killed , i just want you all to reconsider
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yeah , I wish Christianity never existed .

so wot ? i dont want you all killed , i just want you all to reconsider
So you would impose your views onto them, or wish their religion out of existence? That's just as wrong as us being force-fed religion. It works both ways. We *all* need to have tolerance.
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^ exactly. As I said earlier, I don't care if you believe in a God or not, the point is, not assuming everyone else is going along with you.

I think thats another thing that frustrates me. I DO believe this Iraq War and so forth has religious undertones because you mention God once and boom, its all out in the open, Christians vs Muslims, the age old battle continues yada yada yada. It annoys me that GWB says 'God told me' and what? I'm supposed to be ever greatful that the divine God spoke through a joke of a man and that therefore he can go do anything he likes because he's on a mission. I hate that he would say something like that, and ARROGANTLY think that people would understand and accept the fact that God indeed did speak to him, or that he is doing this and attacking the axis of evil under the guidance of the 'right God' i mean how PRESUMPTUOUS can you be?

Blah! Go and preach your ideas, but don't act like we're all with you under this one religious unbrella!
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i dont rember saying ALL wars were over religion.

did i say Iraq was a religious war? and was i talking only about the united states?
I didn't say that you did say "all". The reason i asked you to list all the wars and their causes is because I am curious as to how someone can say that the majority of wars were fought over reliogion if they don't know the causes of all the wars.
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I didn't say that you did say "all". The reason i asked you to list all the wars and their causes is because I am curious as to how someone can say that the majority of wars were fought over reliogion if they don't know the causes of all the wars.
did you see the list?

who says i dont know causes of wars? i accually paid attention to history classes in highschool and college.
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yeah , I wish Christianity never existed .
Millions of formerly hungry people in the US and all over the world would certainy disagree with you on that. Do you realize how much good Christians and other people who have faith in God have done for the world? Do you realize how many major charities in the world were founded by Christians and other people who have faith in God?
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did you see the list?
I haven't studied your list, so I'm not sure how accurate it is. But even if you are 100% accurate about all those wars being fought over religion, do you really think that your list comprises the majority of wars that have happened?

But I do know the American Civil War. believe me, I know the Civil war. I used to know more about it than I knew about anything. That war had nothing to do with religion.

I would think that the greed for land and natural and wealth resources has been at the root of far more wars than religion.
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