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Old 03-29-2006, 03:52 PM   #106
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I don't think you can just assume it all equals out.

I'm not assuming anything. I have plenty of first hand knowledge and research on the subject.

I have extended family who are farmers, a father who's in housing construction, so I've seen it first hand.

Trust me a state like TX couldn't survive without.
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Old 03-29-2006, 03:56 PM   #107
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You want convicted criminals running around in your backyard, access to your tractors and having free access to the highways? Seriously, think out your theories. The cost of implementing such a program would outweigh all costs you think immigrants cost you now

In farm fields only. Plus this would help reform a person, instead of thinking about who they might shank next.
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I know that illegals play an important role in the economy. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing, but it is what it is.

Why can't they pay taxes? Force them to have documents. If they really want a better life, then they should be made aware that a better life includes paying taxes. Taxes suck, but we pay them, why shouldn't they have to? As long as they contribute to the system then they can have access to schools, etc.
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I know that illegals play an important role in the economy. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing, but it is what it is.

Why can't they pay taxes? Force them to have documents. If they really want a better life, then they should be made aware that a better life includes paying taxes. Taxes suck, but we pay them, why shouldn't they have to? As long as they contribute to the system then they can have access to schools, etc.
As soon as they start paying taxes, say good bye to cheap labor.

It goes both ways, you can't have both.

Some of you can't seem to grasp that.
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In farm fields only. Plus this would help reform a person, instead of thinking about who they might shank next.
Where do you think farming fields are? Please, educate yourself.

How would you contain them?

Like I said, it wouldn't work.
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How does cheap labor go away if you tax them?
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How does cheap labor go away if you tax them?
Um, you have to start paying minimum wage, once they are legal.
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And minimum wage is $5.15/ hour. That's not exactly breaking the bank. How is that not cheap labor?
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And minimum wage is $5.15/ hour. That's not exactly breaking the bank. How is that not cheap labor?
Well now you know how cheap they're working for.

Plus different industries have minimum standands. When you're working construction and your legal workers are working for $15 dollars an hour and someone comes along who can do the same exact work, but are willing to work for $9 an hour, who do you think they'll hire? Once they start paying taxes they aren't going to be willing to work $9 an hour. They'll want the same pay as everyone else, for they are just as qualified...
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Well true about containing the criminal since there already 12 million illegals who already broke the law.
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Well true about containing the criminal since there already 12 million illegals who already broke the law.


Let's not forget those that hire them are breaking the law as well. So that puts about every major industry in the states.
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I guess so. Ok what would you say if the 11 people could stay, but then we build a secure boarder and have that guest worker program then, would you object to that??
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Let's not forget those that hire them are breaking the law as well. So that puts about every major industry in the states.
Including numerous politicians with nannys, gardeners and the like.
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Including numerous politicians with nannys, gardeners and the like.
Absolutley, including those that have "ranches" in Texas.
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Ok what would you say if the 11 people could stay, but then we build a secure boarder and have that guest worker program then, would you object to that??
Never once have I taken a side in this issue. My whole point is that this isn't a black and white issue and to place all the blame on the, as you call them stupid people, is absolutely ridiculous.

It's a give and take situation we have right now. If it were to all of sudden change over night, our economies would suffer. This is what so many don't understand.

I don't object to any fair program. I don't object to more secure borders. I do object to a wall.
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