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Old 03-29-2006, 06:15 PM   #136
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Was China considered racist when they built the great wall, or when the Berlin built there wall?
The Soviets built the Berlin Wall, and it's fair to say it was a lightning rod of controversy.

Look, building a wall on the border isn't the greatest solution but it's one of many bad solutions.

Is a fence less imposing?
How about a moat?

I mean, either we secure the border one way or we don't.
I don't think it matters how we do it in the end.
I said build a wall in an earlier post just for the effect of contrast.
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Hell why not. Only problem is Candians are not in a rush to get to the US. And correct me if I am wrong they dont frequently break the law? Or do they?
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I know it is torn down. I was giving examples.
Yes an example that was torn down for a reason...

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A radius come on now. you have one dinky check point to cover hundreds of miles???
NO, that's what we have now. That's why I said more, so we have smaller radius.
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But what about the cost to maintain the stations and having to deal with violent drug cartels??? and gangs such as the MS-13
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And if we're going to build a wall, why not at the Canadian border as well? Do we not fear the white people?
Are the white people flooding the Canadian border and creating a HUGE financial problem and security risk?

Let's compare apples to apples here.

I appreciate what you are getting at, I just think this situation can't be tied down the same way.

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Wanted to add, there is a perception about race and what we think is fair to some and not to others.

But to solve this problem there have to be some hits taken.
And there is clearly no great solution.
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But what about the cost to maintain the stations and having to deal with violent drug cartels??? and gangs such as the MS-13
Like I've said before, you would still have to man a wall. Do you not think walls could be scaled or demolished?
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yes they can and thats why you fire off warning shots in the air. Or add metal cover over by cement
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Are the white people flooding the Canadian border and creating a HUGE financial problem and security risk?

Let's compare apples to apples here.

I appreciate what you are getting at, I just think this situation can't be tied down the same way.

I was saying that on purely security reasons.

As far as financial problem, I haven't seen one article or study that showed both the give and take, until then a wall is a waste.
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But what about the cost to maintain the stations and having to deal with violent drug cartels??? and gangs such as the MS-13
You are just playing semantics here.

I think the financial burden of actually securing the Mexican border is going to be big no matter how you slice it.

The question is, do we actually secure it or just pretend like we do?

One thing a wall might provide is a clear message that we mean business. There are a bevy of image problems asscociated with that. of course, which is why it has never been done.

But I don't think the issue here should be A Wall vs Checkpoints etc.

The issue is: do we ACTUALLY secure the border and probably risk losing the cheap labor by giving some amnesty of a sort.

Because that's what it comes down to, in my mind.

If cheap labor was off the table, the border would have been sealed up (as mush as possible) years ago.

Most politicians are afraid of losing that cheap labor as well as the hispanic vote, especially in southwestern and border states.
Somebody will have to take the hit, eventually or it's business as usual.
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yes they can and thats why you fire off warning shots in the air. Or add metal cover over by cement
People find their ways into bank vaults you will never design an impenetrable wall. It's a huge waste and can be solved by more man power.
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I was saying that on purely security reasons.

As far as financial problem, I haven't seen one article or study that showed both the give and take, until then a wall is a waste.
Yeah, I know what you mean.

I don't really advocate a wall 100%, I just think that it's got to be on the table as much as anything else until we figure out what to do with the actual illegals themselves.

You could turn the National Guard loose on the border, but is that really how we want to use those resources? I don't know.
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you build one check point they find another way in and then have to build more and more and more. Not only that, you have to deal with drug runners, which would then lead to more money being used to stop that. You build a wall with entrances and then it would be more difficult to get in.

Was China considered racist when they built the great wall, or when the Berlin built there wall?
History 101
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Yeah, I know what you mean.

I don't really advocate a wall 100%, I just think that it's got to be on the table as much as anything else until we figure out what to do with the actual illegals themselves.

You could turn the National Guard loose on the border, but is that really how we want to use those resources? I don't know.
Bush has been promising Homeland Security there for years...

That's what our resouces should be doing...
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Well the Israelies have done a good job so far??
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