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Old 02-14-2003, 07:01 PM   #16
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Too bad none of the Presidential candidates made it. Instead we get ....well.... someone I can't believe has been elected for as long as he has.
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Ugh. I don't follow the senate all that closely, and had no idea of Byrd's political and social leanings.

However, I still very much like his speech.
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It's still a great speech.
a great speech, from a racist
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a great speech, from a racist
*giggles*

I never thought the day would come that the Republican Party would actually speak out against racism. Of course, when all of your most bigoted senators and representatives retire all in the same term...

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the difference is..
we get rid of ours, while the Democrats make excuses for theirs.

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Oh, bullshit, diamond. All I got handed to me here at Interference was excuses for that Lott character.
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the difference is..
we get rid of ours, while the Democrats make excuses for theirs.

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hahahahaha

I never heard one word of protest against Jesse Helms from the Republican Party, and he was not only tolerated, but given the head of an important Senate committee when there was a GOP majority (I forget the committee off the top of my head).

Trent Lott was mild compared to that fellow.

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The 2004 election season is upon us.


And Sen. Byrd's proposal was what?? It is easy to criticize. It takes more to offer solutions.
I think the next elation is always upon us. Many believe the 15 billions aids package was about that. It does not mean the policy is wrong.
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Was he wearing his KKK robes when he made this speach?

Only if he got in a time machine and went back to the 60s? I think.

I am not a big Byrd supporter.
But, I think attacking the messenger could lead one to believe the message is not as easy to discredit
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It's a great speech. I wonder who wrote it for him? Or is he getting smarter in his old age?
I believe he wrote it himself. I have watched him speak live on cspan. He is quite eloquent and his ability to quote philosophers, historical figures, and even throw in a bible verse now and then is impressive.
He is one of the biggest spenders of pork projects because of his seniority and his keen knowing of the Senates workings.
His mind is quite sharp.

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And probably the one with the least to worry about regarding re-election.
Good point.
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Not that the Republican Party ever spoke out on former Sen. Jesse Helms...



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Bigotry is fine behind the scenes- to rally the troops, solidify the base. But must never be put in the spotlight. We need to get 2-3 % more votes from those minorities so we can have an undisputed mandate.
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Yes, Sen. Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK. He also was responsible for helping filibuster the 1964 Civil Rights Bill.

Here is a nice quote for you:

"[I will] never submit to fight beneath that banner [the American flag] with a Negro by my side. Rather would I die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." 1947 letter by Robert Byrd.

Dread,

I understood many arguments you made about Lott being thrown under the train.

But,
Going back to 1947 to discredit a speech from 2003 is a weak if not totally irrelevant argument.
* Asked about this letter back in 1999, Mr. Byrd did not dispute the quote, and said he was ashamed of it.



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Added Mr. Byrd in his letter to Bilbo: "Rather I should die a thousand times, and see old Glory in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours be degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." Asked about this letter back in 1999, Mr. Byrd did not dispute the quote, and said he was ashamed of it. Today — 57 years after the Bilbo letter — Mr. Byrd is giving people new reasons to be ashamed of him.
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Ugh. I don't follow the senate all that closely, and had no idea of Byrd's political and social leanings.

However, I still very much like his speech.
I think it is irrelevant. He has disavowed them and supported civil rights for over thirty years now.


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a great speech, from a racist
Did you mean to say somebody who *was* a racist?
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*giggles*

I never thought the day would come that the Republican Party would actually speak out against racism. Of course, when all of your most bigoted senators and representatives retire all in the same term...

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Don't worry we got the stealf replacements.


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the difference is..
we get rid of ours, while the Democrats make excuses for theirs.

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Lott is still around. And got bumped up to a powerful chairmanship.


Which elected Democrat recently said, “ We would be better off with a segregationist as president?” or anything like that?
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hahahahaha

I never heard one word of protest against Jesse Helms from the Republican Party, and he was not only tolerated, but given the head of an important Senate committee when there was a GOP majority (I forget the committee off the top of my head).

Trent Lott was mild compared to that fellow.

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Something like foreign affairs, Some said he controlled much of Clinton’s foreign policy by obstructionism.
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