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Old 11-07-2005, 08:15 PM   #46
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And America ain't in that position right now, pure and simple.

what!?!?!!?!?!



but, but, but ... George Bush says we are.

he wouldn't lie to us, would he?

would he?
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^Well if that's the case, I don't think any country will ever be in any position to have any opinion on anything.

America's not perfect, but there's a reason so many have fled Cuba.

On the other hand, I do think the embargoes against Cuba are kind of dumb, considering the number of countries we support who are far more abusive of their people. I'm not saying we become best buds with Fidel, but I feel like at least some of the money from trade would trickle down to the populace. Sort of similar to the sanctions against Iraq in the 90s (although that was much more complicated of an issue, it would seem like.)
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You scare me.

Are you in Opus Dei by any chance? Just curious.
Maybe you're reading too much into that comment. i hope
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i thought this thread was about Halloween?

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I have a consistent view on this, I am unashamedly pro free trade.

I have never seen an adequate case made for economic sanctions or embargoes, and yes I would even extend that to apartheid-era South Africa. I honestly and truly don't think it was sanctions that forced changes in South Africa, it was the political pressure more than anything.
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i thought this thread was about Halloween?


Yes this one has to be in the Top 10 FYM derailments of all time.
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Yes this one has to be in the Top 10 FYM derailments of all time.




we should keep an archive.

Halloween -----> the Cuban embargo

can anyone else remember other good ones?
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i thought this thread was about Halloween?

I haven't even read the first few pages, just thought I should spout off about things I don't understand when I saw some stuff about Cuba...

then I was trying to find the thread again, but I couldn't. All I saw was some dumb thread on Halloween.

financeguy, you're probably right. Whether or not sanctions have actually been effective in certain cases depends on who you ask, but it would seem pretty obvious that the people not the leaders take the brunt of it. Maybe the real idea is to drive the country into such brutal poverty that another peasant revolution becomes imminent, and maybe this time we can get one of our guys heading the ensuing regime. Now there's an idea...

Anyway, I have no clue why we think we're accomplishing so much in not trading with Cuba, particularly when the rest of the world is. A little stubborness/self-importance, maybe?
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we should keep an archive.

Halloween -----> the Cuban embargo

can anyone else remember other good ones?
thread X ----> gay marriage

thread Y ----> abortion

thread on any other country (god forbid) ---> Bush/America
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You scare me.

Are you in Opus Dei by any chance? Just curious.
BTW, note that I am not the author of the article.
I merely posted it because it does contain useful information. It's meant to be taken as a whole, not parts of it picked apart, to be used 'against' me.
I am not your enemy so please don't make me out to be. Thanks.
And no, I'm not in Opus Dei. Why are you?
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I honestly and truly don't think it was sanctions that forced changes in South Africa, it was the political pressure more than anything.
I remember calls and demonstrations to divest from S. Africa. Money does talk.
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Sort out the problems in your own country first.

Maybe then you could be in a position to preach.

See, to preach to others you need to be whiter than white.




Gosh.
Let's just tell Bono to stop pointing out any inequities, emergencies or problems around the world.

Our problems here in the US do not shadow or diminish theirs.
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On a more serious note, how do you all/did you all celebrate Halloween in your native countries?
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Trick!!!
Halloween is not a pagan christian hybrid but a communist plot to get Interferencers to blather on about
CASTRO!! the EVIL MONSTER!! Scary!!!

(btw, I am *not* pro-castro or chavez *at all*. I am a libertarian and a socialist (aka anarchist))
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There´s so much shit in this thread I´m not even going to bother to mix in.
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