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Old 11-02-2005, 12:29 PM   #16
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He is Fidel Castros love child!
And we know how great HE was for the island of Cuba.
His ideology took that nation down from real world to third world........
Actually, Cuba was certainly a third world nation in 1959 -- nobody who is aware of the poverty, deprivation and ill health which existed in 1959 would deny that.

Can you explain why you believe the standard of living in Cuba to have deteriorated since Castro came to power in 1959. Given that life expectancy has increased dramatically (from
58 in 1959 to 77 in 2005), the WHO recognises Cuba's healthcare system as the best of all third world healthcare systems and there has been a massive expansion in education, it seems strange that you believe Cuba has moved from some ill-defined "real world" to the "third world." Perhaps you could clarify?
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Old 11-02-2005, 12:34 PM   #17
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Chavez frightens me.
First he provided medical treatment and a better social infrastructure for his citizens, which is a good thing, and now he is campaigning against the USA and other modern industries. Just like Hitler did.
The United States is campaigning against Venezuela, but are you going to compare Bush to Hitler?

And as for campaigning against "modern industries", Venezuela's wealth (and thus Chavez's social reforms) are built on revenue from oil so I hardly think Chavez is likely to campaign against industry, whatever you mean by that.

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Don't get me wrong, I don't think he will become a new Hitler or start a new war, but nonetheless his campaigning against other countries is not very healthy for the people or the region.
Actually, Chavez has been involved in building solidarity between many of the countries of Latin America -- it's one of the reasons the United States is so strongly opposed to him.

So much more I want to say on this subject but I don't have time right now -- I'll write some more later once you've had chance to reply.
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Old 11-02-2005, 01:24 PM   #18
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i haven't read the article but heres some facts about halloween. i live in the UK, so this could affect some of the forthcoming diatrabe, and appologies if anyone gets thatopinion.

Fact: Halloween was orginally a Christian festival, which is now celebrated tonight (The festival of All Souls, a sort of 'commemertaion of the dead')

Naturally, purile american capatalist souls felt the need to commercialise the event. This lead to what is seen today. How does it link to the first part? Well it doesn't. And therein lies the issue. And how many of todays youngsters know about this. im 16 myself, and regulary am quite arsey about anyone coming around. This year anyone who came asking for anything, got asked the same question 'tell me the true meaning of halloween' - needless to say, no-one got any sweets. Actually, there wasn't any apart from what is normally kept in the house.

A perhaps sad reflection i dont no. opinions welcome.
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i haven't read the article but heres some facts about halloween. i live in the UK, so this could affect some of the forthcoming diatrabe, and appologies if anyone gets thatopinion.

Fact: Halloween was orginally a Christian festival, which is now celebrated tonight (The festival of All Souls, a sort of 'commemertaion of the dead')

Naturally, purile american capatalist souls felt the need to commercialise the event. This lead to what is seen today. How does it link to the first part? Well it doesn't. And therein lies the issue. And how many of todays youngsters know about this. im 16 myself, and regulary am quite arsey about anyone coming around. This year anyone who came asking for anything, got asked the same question 'tell me the true meaning of halloween' - needless to say, no-one got any sweets. Actually, there wasn't any apart from what is normally kept in the house.

A perhaps sad reflection i dont no. opinions welcome.


do you know what purile means?

also, you're a great big meanie!

perhaps if you Brits would smile and have fun once in a while instead of keeping that upper lip so stiff you look perpetually constipated, maybe you wouldn't have lost that empire that's now coming home to roost.









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Old 11-02-2005, 02:10 PM   #20
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Fact: Halloween was orginally a Christian festival, which is now celebrated tonight (The festival of All Souls, a sort of 'commemertaion of the dead')

Naturally, purile american capatalist souls felt the need to commercialise the event. This lead to what is seen today. How does it link to the first part? Well it doesn't. And therein lies the issue. And how many of todays youngsters know about this. im 16 myself, and regulary am quite arsey about anyone coming around. This year anyone who came asking for anything, got asked the same question 'tell me the true meaning of halloween' - needless to say, no-one got any sweets. Actually, there wasn't any apart from what is normally kept in the house.

A perhaps sad reflection i dont no. opinions welcome.
Actually I think the origins of Halloween were earlier, Celtic, and pagen. The christians simply appropriated the holiday and gave it their own meaning, as is the case with many "traditional" christian holidays.
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Actually I think the origins of Halloween were earlier, Celtic, and pagen. The christians simply appropriated the holiday and gave it their own meaning, as is the case with many "traditional" christian holidays.
Actually, it often was the work of a non-Christian ruler that wanted the Christian holiday to become diluted by association with existing pagan rites.
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I don't theeenk so.

The pagans were there first!
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I don't see why pagan associations has to screw up a Christian holiday. All Saints is a Christian holiday, to heck with the nay-sayers and people who want to ban it. You can bring up Samhain and the Celts all you want and that won't change it.
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I don't theeenk so.

The pagans were there first!
You missed my point. Pagan celebrations existed first. But it was not Christians who "took over" the holiday.

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Because the Roman emperor Aurelian fixed December 25th for the winter solstice holiday in AD 274, it is thought that the early Christians adopted this day for their Christ-mass so that they would be less conspicuous in the observance of their holiday.

The motivation behind the non-Christian ruler establishing the date of Christmas was to dilute the meaning with the existing pagan celebration.
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Actually, Cuba was certainly a third world nation in 1959 -- nobody who is aware of the poverty, deprivation and ill health which existed in 1959 would deny that.

Can you explain why you believe the standard of living in Cuba to have deteriorated since Castro came to power in 1959. Given that life expectancy has increased dramatically (from
58 in 1959 to 77 in 2005), the WHO recognises Cuba's healthcare system as the best of all third world healthcare systems and there has been a massive expansion in education, it seems strange that you believe Cuba has moved from some ill-defined "real world" to the "third world." Perhaps you could clarify?
As seen from your post the only thing Cuba exports now is propaganda (and refugees of course).
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Actually, Christianity was a pagan mystery religion before the politicians got involved.

Chavez is the inversion of Bush.

Some countries actually have socialist economics and libertarian social policies.

The thought of it!!!
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the WHO recognises Cuba's healthcare system as the best of all third world healthcare systems and there has been a massive expansion in education, it seems strange that you believe Cuba has moved from some ill-defined "real world" to the "third world." Perhaps you could clarify?
Cuba has slipped DOWN to this third world status level not UP because of Castro's leadership.
That it is now considered "the best " in healthcare signifies the high standards among it's other Caribbean nations pre-revolution.
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Actually, Chavez has been involved in building solidarity between many of the countries of Latin America -- it's one of the reasons the United States is so strongly opposed to him.
well... he acused our intelligence unit (Colombia ) of being involved in a complot against him... we have bigger problems trying to solve the guerrilla problem (in our own territory) and he points his finger against our goverment, trying to get some attention... what the fuck ???? he's not building any solidarity between latin countries he's been a paranoid seeing ghost everywhere....
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Actually, Cuba was certainly a third world nation in 1959 -- nobody who is aware of the poverty, deprivation and ill health which existed in 1959 would deny that.
What? Please brush up on your history.
Cuba was on par with U. S. standards of living pre- 1959.

Read what Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have to report:

Human Rights Forty Years After the Revolution

Over the past forty years, Cuba has developed a highly effective machinery of repression. The denial of basic civil and political rights is written into Cuban law. In the name of legality, armed security forces, aided by state-controlled mass organizations, silence dissent with heavy prison terms, threats of prosecution, harassment, or exile. Cuba uses these tools to restrict severely the exercise of fundamental human rights of expression, association, and assembly. The conditions in Cuba's prisons are inhuman, and political prisoners suffer additional degrading treatment and torture. In recent years, Cuba has added new repressive laws and continued prosecuting nonviolent dissidents while shrugging off international appeals for reform and placating visiting dignitaries with occasional releases of political prisoners. This report documents Cuba's failures to respect the civil and political rights enumerated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) as well as the international human rights and labor rights treaties it has ratified. It shows that neither Cuban law nor practice guarantees the fundamental rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration. Cuba's obligation to respect the declaration arises from its incorporation into the United Nations Charter, rendering all member states, including Cuba, subject to its provisions. The UDHR is widely recognized as customary international law. It is a basic yardstick to measure any country's human rights performance. Unfortunately, Cuba does not measure up.
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well... he acused our intelligence unit (Colombia ) of being involved in a complot against him... we have biggest problems trying to solve the guerrilla problem (in our own territory) and he points his finger against our goverment, trying to get some attention... what the fuck own???? he's not building any solidarity between latin countries he's been a paranoid talking so much shit about the countries who don't listen him cuz they have their own real problems.
He's simply trying to generate unity around a common enemy(ies).
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