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Old 09-24-2002, 10:33 AM   #1
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Tuesday, September 24, 2002 (Gandhinagar):Gujrat, India


Gunmen today stormed the famous Swaminarayan temple complex in Gandhinagar and fired indiscriminately. According to initial reports, 12 people have been killed and 25 injured. The attack by suspected militants took place at around 5:20 pm (IST).

Agriculture Minister Purushottam Rupala said that two persons, probably carrying stenguns, entered the temple premises and fired indiscriminately.

Commandos of the National Security Guard (NSG) are being rushed to the temple complex spread over 23 acres of land in Akshaydham, situated about two kilometres away from the state secretariat. All the gates of the temple have also been sealed.
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After what Israel and US doing to thier terrorism...I think we should get these bastards. At times I wish I wasnt followiing Gandhianism and stoped being ideological

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I know Indian terrorism is percieved to be less important but these lives are as important as any other.
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Yes, every life should have the same importance to the worlds leaders.
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well not by me ishkash.....a tragedy

I'm sorry about what happened. Murder and destruction is always wrong, but when it takes place on holy ground, it really must test your faith and resolve, daily.
I just noticed yesterday actually( I should have known before this really) one of my sons was born on Mahatma Gandhis' birthday. I am pleased to know that.
More and more our beliefs are going to be tested. Be strong.
RIP the victims...everywhere.
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As far as I'm concerned


If the US can invade iraq....India can take all of Kashmir



Islamic militants keep pushing this to happen.


India has been more than tolerant.

this is not an ethnic conflict


India has the 2nd most muslims of any country in the world



this is not a hindu/muslim issue


this is a terrorism/ free ppls issue


India has a right to defend itself, and if it has to create lake pakistan to do it....by all means



Ishkash.....brother.....I posted to the u2 india group...reply to it if it concerns you
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Ishkash, it isn't any less important.

And Arun V, I agree with you.

Something has to be done.

Sorry, folks, but nations can not always turn the other cheek. India has every right to take action against the perpetrators and the ones behind the perpetrators.

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As Arun rightly said India has more Muslim population than Pakistan.I am not anti-Pakistan or anti anything.But since Indepence Pakistan has failed to take a constructive stance on Kashmir.They never speak for the betterment of lives, all they have is that phony jehad.They use jehad in the same fashion as Bin Laden does. I am not against Pakistani people but the people who run Pakistan,Dictators and Army Generals.

These so called millitants get training in Al Qaeda sponsored camps.Most of them are directly linked with Al Qaeda and have more than 100 active camps.What people of US and Rest of the world should realise, we Indians are very passive, quite and accomodating people(we have 10 million Bangladeshi and 1 million afghan refugees from pre 9/11 wars).Our probles is that our 5000 year old history keeps us a bit civilized.We have fought 3 wars, but they were the least destrcutive wars of all time. We even backed from occupied areas just to show our civilised state and maturity which unfortunately is our weak point.

India has 3rd or 4th largest army in the world, we also have those dreaded nuclear bombs(for the record I was against it, not anymore), but still I dont get why do we have to tolerate when common lives are being put on constant threat. Today its some people I dont know, tomorrow it can be someone I know.

British's ruled India for 250 years and then Gandhi fought against unjustice wthout single life being lost.One of the greatest battle and a great victory came without, except for one, violent act.If we can do it then anyone in the world can fight like this and achieve success.

Instead focussing on issues like poverty, lack of basic education and decent living standards all Pakistan has to offer is solidarity in veil of religion. If these terrorist camps are not destroyed immediately then not only India but world is a very unsafe place and there would be a constant threat to free people.Its a terrorist haven and it must be destroyed., NOW!
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injured recall nightmarish temple visit

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Wednesday, September 25, 2002 (Gandhinagar):

Twenty-nine people were killed and more than 70 injured in a terrorist attack at the Swaminarayan temple complex in Gandhinagar on Tuesday. Most of the injured have been shifted to Gandhinagar's civil hospital.

The injured victims are in a state of disbelief as the reality of what they had been through is yet to sink in.

"There was this man who was shooting. I got shot and after that I don't know what happened," said a victim.

"We were not scared because we could not believe it was happening. It was so unexpected. Something like this could never happen at the Akshardham temple," he added.

With more than 25 people killed in the attack, the injured are lucky to have escaped with their lives.

"I have seen 15 or 20 bodies inside. One was lying on the ground. Small, small children, three or four," said a survivor.

Many of the injured are the police personnel who fell in the line of fire during the rescue operations.

"Some of our jawans(soldiers) were already injured inside and we managed to rescue and bring out some of them. Then we went back a second time because we were told that there were some more jawans who had been hurt. When we went in, we were fired at from the basement with AK-47s," recounted Shailaish Barot, a Gujarat Police commando.

Hospital wards were filled with chaos, as anxious people gathered to know about their relatives. The local residents and relief organisations came to their rescue.

"Our organisation has come from Ahmedabad to help out the injured, to donate blood and be of whatever help we can," said one of the relief workers -- evidence that an unbelievably vicious attack was bringing out the best in the people of Gujarat.
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Thank you for the news, ishkash.

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just to give you exact scale on these numbers



India has 10x more muslims than Pakistan approx.
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There's something about that date, is it a coincidence

brb...just got to find the newspaper I was looking at...
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"September 24,the 267th day of 2002,there are 98 days left in the year.
Today In History

1932 - The Poona Pact between Hindu religious leaders, forced by Mahatma Ghandi's hunger strike, gives new electoral rights to untouchables."

Probably not relevant, but something I noticed.Good luck
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One of my closest friends is Indian. Her parents spent their honeymoon in Kashmir, decades ago, and the pictures are absolutely stunning. Since then it's been reduced to a wasteland of terror with shit disturbing terrorists being allowed to torture the population at will. The sooner Kashmir is under Indian control, the better.
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Re: There's something about that date, is it a coincidence

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brb...just got to find the newspaper I was looking at...
Here 'tis

"September 24,the 267th day of 2002,there are 98 days left in the year.
Today In History

1932 - The Poona Pact between Hindu religious leaders, forced by Mahatma Ghandi's hunger strike, gives new electoral rights to untouchables."

Probably not relevant, but something I noticed.Good luck
Its very relevant....very, very relevant since what has been happening around us.Its very easy to criticise Gandhi ji, its even easier to praise him, but its very difficult to be like him.
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British's ruled India for 250 years and then Gandhi fought against unjustice wthout single life being lost.One of the greatest battle and a great victory came without, except for one, violent act.If we can do it then anyone in the world can fight like this and achieve success.
I read this and it was so touching. My fingers are trembling a little as I type this


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MILITARY INTELLIGENCE: Temple Killers in India Appear to Be Pakistani

OSS Comment: The Indian government appears to have evidence that the two principals in the Akshardham temple massacre were Pakistani nationals. Given the considerable number of deaths associated with the internal strife between Muslims and Hindus in India, it will be helpful to have a better understanding of the degree to which this violent internal conflict is deliberately being incited as a military covert action by Pakistan.



EXTRACT: AHMEDABAD/GANDHINAGAR: The Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) on Friday detained two persons who reportedly rented out the car to the terrorists to reach Akshardham temple even as reports coming from New Delhi suggested that the terrorists had been identified as Pakistani citizens. Leads from intelligence agencies in Jammu said the terrorists were Mohammad Amjad from Lahore and Hafiz Yassir from Attock in Pakistan.


SOURCE: Temple killers identified as Pakistanis. 09/28/2002 The Times of India
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