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Old 06-20-2003, 11:18 AM   #46
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Old 06-20-2003, 02:53 PM   #47
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Lilly, ouizy, Sting2, melon, 80sU2IsBest, deep, Diamondbruno_9, Screaming Flower, Lemonite, Spike Lee, Lindsey Buckingham, Alex Van Halen, Henry Winkler, the Reverend Al Sharpton, Mandy Moore, John Smoltz, Magic Johnson, Billy Ray Cyrus, a whole, diverse hodgepodge of characters
Arrogant...the whole lot of them! Especially the first nine.

*hands in certificate of citizenshipery...moves to Canada.
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Old 06-20-2003, 03:06 PM   #48
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Basically, Americans like ouizy and I know what the rest of the world thinks of us; I do wish we could resolve some of our differences with the international community, but just because we are not willing to yield our perspective to popular opinion does not necessarily mean he and I are arrogant as individuals; it just means that we might possibly have a different perspective than you. I dont agree with every action the administration has taken, and ouizy probably agrees with even fewer of their actions, for what that's worth.
I have to say that although I differ in political views, I do agree with almost everything Bama has said.

My point about us policing and keeping the peace is as follows:

Countries around the world complain that the US is heavy-handed and we stick our nose in where is should not be stuck. They think that we come in and try to influence the region with our ways of life and want people to think how we do.

That is mostly untrue.

What bothers me most is that in many cases nations do not take action when agregious things are happening all over the world. When we do, they ususally complain about us being arrogant and trying to influence the specific region. It is only months, sometimes years later when we often realize (through war crimes tribunals, mass grave findings, evidence of genocide, or any other after the fact examples) that the US and its intelligence may be right and not just arrogant.

In the past five or so years alone the US has been deployed in:

Peru+Ecuador (Operation Safe Border)
Kuwait (Intrinsic Action I-III)
Bosnia (Operation Joint Guard)
Former Yugoslavia (Operation Determined Guard)
Guam (Operation Pacific Haven)
Liberia (Operation Quick Response and Operation Assured Response)
Northern Iraq (Operation Northern Watch)
Liberia (Operation Assured Lift)
Albania (Operation Silver Wake)
Albania + Macedonia (Operation Determined Flacon)
Former Yugoslavia (Operation Deliberate Forge + Operation Determine Forge)
Eritria (Operation Safe Departure)
Guinea-Bissau (Operation Shepard Venture)
Kosovo (Operation Balkan Calm)
Democratic Republic of Congo (Operation Autumn Shelter)
Tanzania + Kenya (Operation Resolute Response)
Sudan + Afghanistan (Operation Infinite Reach)
Serbia (Operation Eagle Eye)
Central America (Operation Strong Support)
Kosovo + Serbia (Operation Allied Force)
Kosovo (Operation Allied Harbour)
Kosovo (Operation Joint Guardian)
Turkey (Operation Avid Response)
East Timor (Operation Stabilise)
Venezuela (Operation Fundamental Response)
Mozambique (operation Altas Response)
Kuwait (Operation Desert Spring)
Kuwait (Operation Desert Falcon)
Kuwait (Operation Desert Focus)

Now my point is this: If you were to review the names and purposes of these operations, most of them have nothing to do with war, but are rather policing, rescuing, transporting, or aiding people abroad.

I fully admit the rest of the world should be able to criticize the US, but I have to say it really does not interest me if those that are doing the criticism have no part in world affairs.

When was the last time Brazil sent a peacekeeping force anywhere?

So my original comment was based on the number of deployments we have around the world, the purpose for these deployments, and what would happen if we were not there.

It seems to me the US is ready and willing to take on many challenges (a la East Timor) for the sake of others, but when we commit to an operation that may satisfy some of our own agendas, we get criticized. As I said the criticism is fair, but please do not be surprised if many of us choose to ignore it.
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Old 06-20-2003, 11:21 PM   #49
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That was an informative post, ouizy. So many places around the globe, so many soldiers deployed on request of others. Most of those missions are overlooked by the mass public.

Tyler_Durden:

If it was such a huge, offensive violation fo the human rights of French people for restaurants and Jay Leno and other entities to make humor of France's political decisions, then it should also be a travesty when it is determined and/or expressed that "America is arrogant." I agree with much of what you said in pronciple, but I believe we sometimes need to conced double standards.

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Tyler Durden:

I agree with most of what you say about what is and isn't offensive.

What is your assessment of the following statement which was apparently made in the program and then posted in this thread?



I suppose they are referring the the U.S. as "America." It doesn't only reference President Bush and his adminsitration; it only referenced "America," which, when referring to the U.S., America is me, Lilly, ouizy, Sting2, melon, 80sU2IsBest, deep, Diamondbruno_9, Screaming Flower, Lemonite, Spike Lee, Lindsey Buckingham, Alex Van Halen, Henry Winkler, the Reverend Al Sharpton, Mandy Moore, John Smoltz, Magic Johnson, Billy Ray Cyrus, a whole, diverse hodgepodge of characters. Once again, I'm not truly offended by it personally. But does the above-characterization apply to me? I'm just trying to illustrate a personal observation.

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i am bias, too
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Old 06-21-2003, 10:09 AM   #51
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Aren't you High Bias?

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Old 06-21-2003, 10:17 AM   #52
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I'm new here. I do not wish to create controversy.
I've traveled the world.
Throughout the world the States seem to get an unfair representation.

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