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Old 11-16-2006, 05:56 PM   #1
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Was the UCLA Tazzing of a student excessive?

The story goes that the on-campus police were doing a random student id check and this student did not have an ID on him. Supposedly he told them he was leaving, some argument started and finally they tazzed the guy. about 5 times I believe.

http://www.break.com/index/student_g...having_id.html

I would really like to see more video besides this camera phone video, that really did not capture the start of all this.
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:35 PM   #3
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Some background for anyone who's unfamiliar with the incident, as the video is rather hard to follow...

And yes, I definitely think it was excessive.
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Los Angeles Times/Daily Bruin, November 16

The latest in a recent spate of cellphone videos documenting questionable arrest tactics surfaced Wednesday, this one showing a UCLA police officer using a Taser to stun a student who allegedly refused to leave the campus library. Grainy video of the Tuesday night incident at UCLA's Powell Library was broadcast Wednesday on TV news and the Internet, prompting a review of the officers' actions and outrage among students at the Westwood campus.

The footage showed the student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, falling to the ground and crying out in pain as officers stunned him.

According to a campus police report, the incident began when community service officers, who serve as guards at the library, began their nightly routine of checking to make sure everyone using the library after 11 p.m. is a student or otherwise authorized to be there. Campus officials said the long-standing policy was adopted to ensure students' safety.

When Tabatabainejad, 23, refused to provide his ID to the community service officer, the officer told him he would have to show it or leave the library, the report said. After repeated requests, the officer left and returned with campus police, who asked Tabatabainejad to leave "multiple times," according to a statement by the UCLA Police Department. "He continued to refuse," the statement said. "As the officers attempted to escort him out, he went limp and continued to refuse to cooperate with officers or leave the building."

Witnesses disputed that account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack. When an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, the witnesses said, Tabatabainejad told the officer to let go, yelling "Get off me" several times.

"Tabatabainejad encouraged library patrons to join his resistance," police said. [The video does not support this claim. --y.] "The officers deemed it necessary to use the Taser."

"It was beyond grotesque," said UCLA graduate David Remesnitsky of Los Angeles, who witnessed the incident. "By the end they took him over the stairs, lifted him up and Tasered him on his rear end. It seemed like it was inappropriately placed. The Tasering was so unnecessary and they just kept doing it."

Campus police confirmed that Tabatabainejad was stunned "multiple" times. By then, Remesnitsky said, a crowd of 50 or 60 had gathered and were shouting at the officers to stop and demanding their names and badge numbers. Remesnitsky said officers told him to leave or he would be Tasered.

Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number. Gordy was visibly upset by the incident and said other students were also disturbed.
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So the police were asking him to produce ID, he didn't, and got tazed. And now reports are referring to him as a Student.

First off I agree, the tazing was unnecessary. But secondly, are these headlines confirming then that he was in fact a student? Why all the fuss in the first place if he was a student all along. Isn't that what the community service officers were trying to ensure all along?
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I don't know. I would have to reserve my judgement until all the FACTS came out. Although it does seem like he was being a pretty uncooperative A-Hole.
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According to the UCLA paper (Daily Bruin) he didn't have his ID on him, which was grounds for making him leave under campus policy.
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Being an unco-operative arsehole doesn't give a security staffer permission to abuse their discretionary powers. It's not even illegal. Being stunned 5 times is excessive. Being asked or forcibly removed from campus grounds is not.
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wow that's it, huh? i guess it is kinda like showing your ticket on a train. interesting policy though. i don't see why signing in w/ another form of ID and writing your student ID number couldn't be a sufficient backup plan.

in any case, he WAS a student, didn't have his ID, and was tazed. it sucks to be tazed anyway, but to be tazed for not having an ID when you really ARE a student sucks even worse.
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Does the student have any responsibility in all this? I mean if he would have left when asked would this maybe not have happened? I'm not saying it wasnt excessive, but we still don't have all the facts, do we? I think it is a bit premature to make judgements yet.
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He's got a civil case against them and I believe it's the sort of case where the courts are likely to award large damages in order to send a message to the police force that this is unacceptable.

This was not by any means the reasonable application of force. The fact they repeated it another 4 times really goes to show that. Even if you were to say that the initial tazering was necessary to subdue him (which in itself is a poor argument), the following 4 are outrageous.
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Doesn't matter whether we have all facts.

There were about four or five guardsmen who could easily throw him out without using the taser once.
And the other students are stating that he was on his way out when the guardsmen came back.

But tazing someone five times is like torture. And for what reasons? He just sat there and couldn't get up, understandably, and then they tazed him again.
There is no reason for that, and he was no risk in any ways, so it was excessive.
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After watching the video again. I am in the middle. The guy was refusing to listen to there orders which would have made it less difficult, and he got what he deserved. And then all the students who of course have no respect for authority anyways allways there to put down the police who were doing there job. They just stand there instead of telling the guy to cooparate instead lash out at the police for using reasonable force.
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I don't think it's that easy to stand up after getting tazed.

Of course he could have co-operated better in the first place, but still there is no reason for using a tazer when they easily could have bring him out.
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But then he probably would have been yelling police brutality and the students in the library would have acted the same. All Instinct. You can still get up after being tazed. Your muscles have to relaxe after a few seconds.


I just want to know why it's so difficult for people to follow what a police officer asks you?
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who of course have no respect for authority anyways allways there to put down the police who were doing there job.
This is a ridiculous statement.

For those of you who keep saying "we don't have all the facts, etc.", let me ask you a question: what actions demand multiple tazing?

Does being an asshole = tazing?
Not having ID = tazing?
Does, you're making me pick you up = tazing?
Or does, look at me I have a badge and a tazer = tazing?

Ok, honestly what actions demand tazing?
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