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Old 04-14-2003, 08:39 PM   #1
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War was staged, Saddam cut deal with Bush and Putin

Iran continues to raise secret deal claim
Tehran |By Mohsen Asgary | 14-04-2003
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An Iranian news agency close to top conservative military figures attributed the fall of Baghdad to a secret tripartite agreement between Saddam Hussain, Russia and the U.S.

According to the Baztab agency, 13 days after the start of the war, Saddam and Russian intelligence allegedly pledged to hand over Baghdad with minimal resistance to allied forces provided they spared the lives of Saddam and a hundred of his close relatives.

The U.S., for its part, promised to safely send Saddam and his entourage to a third country.

Baztab added that Mohammed Saeed Al Sahaf, Iraqi Information Minister, was instructed to stay in Baghdad until the very last moments to lend the impression that everything in Saddam's camp was under control.

The agency also claimed that Russia gained $5 billion to orchestrate this agreement.

Iran's state TV, which is under the supervision of the supreme leader, also attributed the fall of Baghdad to a secret deal between coalition forces and the deposed Iraqi president. It aired the fall of Baghdad without showing scenes of Iraqis dancing in the streets.

Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, said there are serious questions surrounding Saddam's demise.



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From the Hindu Times:

Russia helped Saddam escape: report

London, Apr. 13. (UNI): Russia has been accused of helping to foil the hunt for Saddam Hussein and of providing his regime with assistance for months before the war in Iraq began.

Media reports claim that Russia has also given Iraq the intelligence on private conversations between Tony Blair and other western leaders.

A report in The Sunday Mail claims "other sources have independently told this newspaper that Moscow has already smuggled the dictator out of Baghdad in a convoy led by the Russian Ambassador and bombed, unsuccessfully, by the Americans".

The article says that according to intelligence reports, Saddam and his son were travelling in a convoy to Syria along Highway 11.

The CIA ordered US Delta Force and field agents to the scene.

"The field agents got there first and ordered the convoy to stop. When it refused the Americans opened fire. Then the soldiers arrived," the report says.

It then further reports: "By this time, they had established that this was a Russian convoy led by the country's ambassador, Vladimir Titorenko. With a diplomatic disaster in the offing, a ceasefire was hurriedly ordered."

The report quotes Russian sources, saying that Saddam and his son Uday then went across the Syrian border to safety.

Refusing to be drawn into the controversy a Downing Street source said: "It's the first time that we have heard of these reports. Our priority is to work with international community to rebuild Iraq."
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Don't know if it's true, but wouldn't surprise me at all.

We're all just pawns to these people.
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More Secret Deals

Deal with Iraqi Commander Opened Baghdad to Marines

From DEBKA-Net-Weekly April 11 Updated by DEBKAfile

April 13, 2003, 11:32 AM (GMT+02:00)

Saddam’s scientific adviser and liaison with the UN arms inspectors, General Amer Hammoudi Al-Saadi, was not the first Iraqi general to turn himself in to American forces. Just before closing its last edition on April 11, DEBKA-Net-Weekly received the first fragmentary reports from its intelligence sources of another general who trod the same secret path before him.

Those reports shed partial light on the ease with which the US 1st Marines Expeditionary Force was able to reach the heart of Baghdad on Wednesday, April 9, without encountering substantial Iraqi resistance. In one case, the Republican Guards supposed to defend the Diyala River bridges and keep American forces out of east Baghdad suddenly stopped shooting and deserted their posts. In general, large sections of the elite SRG divisions charged with defending Baghdad melted away without inflicting or suffering casualties.

In this sense, the keys to east Baghdad were handed over by the high commander of Iraq’s elite

Special Republic guards, General Maher Safian Al-Tikriti, another of Saddam Hussein’s cousins. This was the upshot of discussions that took place between him and US special forces and CIA officers deployed undercover in the Iraqi-controlled parts of Baghdad.

General Takriti agreed to let US forces roll into central Baghdad unopposed across bridges that were not blown up in return for an American guarantee of safe exit from the city for his troops and a promise they would not be pursued..

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Twenty-four hours after American troops entered Baghdad, American B-52 bombers carried out a “bunker-buster” raid against the presidential bunker command system underneath the Dora district of southern Baghdad. It was the US bombers’ second sortie against the same site. The first attack on March 19 was the war’s opening shot, described as a “raid of opportunity” against a leadership target. American bomb experts were much better prepared for the second bombardment; they had discovered by then that Saddam’s subterranean edifices can only be destroyed by repeated pounding that eventually crack the walls until they cave in.

On the whole, US commanders know much more about the vulnerabilities of these underground command posts and the movements of senior Iraqis through their subterranean passageways than they did on March 19. The question is does this knowledge come from intelligence data gathered by US special forces teams operating on the ground? Or the product of deals, ad hoc or not, with Iraqi commanders?

The deal with Safian Al-Tikriti was one of four transactions pulled off at the same time.

Kirkuk-Mosul: Neither of those oil-rich northern cities was taken by bombardment or battle but through surrender deals negotiated between US special forces and the Iraqi commanders charged with defending the towns and their oil installations. The Iraqi units agreed to hold the fort and hold their surrender in abeyance until US forces arrived to take over. As it happened, the Kurdish militias jumped the gun and entered the oil cities before receiving a signal from the Americans, who had no choice but to give them air cover.

Al Amara: While looters were rampaging and setting fires in Baghdad, Kirkuk and Mosul, the Iraqi 4th Corps quietly withdrew from its positions at the strategic town of Al Amara on the Iraq-Iran border and made way for a single US Marine battalion. The deal here was for the Iraqi 10th Armored Division, the backbone of the fighting force, to be allowed to head north without interference. These Iraqi troops are gone from Al Amarnah – but no one knows where they ended up.

General Al-Saadi: Saddam’s scientific adviser turned himself in Saturday, April 12, taking with him some of Iraq’s WMD secrets. He sat quietly at home waiting to be picked up as arranged in his secret exchanges with the Americans before the war. DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources add that for some reason no one came to collect him – possibly because a trap was suspected. In the end, he took the initiative and escorted by a German television crewman presented himself to the US generals in Baghdad, keeping his side of the bargain.

All these secret deals – especially the one with General Takriti - raise two important questions:

1. Was the Baghdad transaction the only one closed with Safian Al-Tikriti ? Or was it part of a package?

2. Were this and any other trades approved in full or in part by Saddam Hussein or his sons? If so, what did they get in return? Does it mean that the decisive battle will take place in Tikrit after all? This would depend on whether General Al-Tikriti dealt with the Americans with the knowledge of Saddam and his sons or betrayed him – not merely to save his men but to keep the town of Tikrit and his clan’s homes safe. If that is what happened, then Tikrit, like Najaf, al Kut, Karbala and Baghdad, will fall to the Americans without much real opposition.
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Hmm, interesting... I still cannot understand why it took the coalition almost two weeks to establish full control over the tiny port of Umm Qasr and just a couple of days to take 6-million Baghdad...
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Hmm, interesting... I still cannot understand why it took the coalition almost two weeks to establish full control over the tiny port of Umm Qasr and just a couple of days to take 6-million Baghdad...
It does not quite make sense now does it?
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It does not quite make sense now does it?
Makes sense to me. In the early part of the war, the Regime was still around. When they high-tailed it to Syria, theer was no more command. What Republican Guard was left either high-tailed it with them or exchanged their unis for civies.

I'm sorry, I just can't believe that Bush would accept any deal that would allow Saddam to live.
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Dread,


I don't know if any of this is true.


But, I do remember that you one who has spent quite a bit of time studying the JFK years.

I was seven in 1962 during Cuban missile crisis.
I do remember JFK being widely hailed for his handling of that event. I also remember my conservative father saying it was a sellout to the Soviets. The Soviets wanted our missiles removed from Easter Europe/ Turkey and Cuba was the ploy they used to accomplish this. This story got no traction in the sixties. History now reports there is linkage between Cuban missile removal and our Europe missile removal.

Afghanistan is hailed as a success. It is deteriorating daily, no one is paying attention.
What really happened in Iraq? Most Administrations mislead the American people. I am certain this Administration is doing that now. This story? I will not rush to judgment. Sometimes truth gets out. Sometimes it does not. This Administration is the best ever at containing and controlling information.
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Makes sense to me. In the early part of the war, the Regime was still around. When they high-tailed it to Syria, theer was no more command. What Republican Guard was left either high-tailed it with them or exchanged their unis for civies.

I'm sorry, I just can't believe that Bush would accept any deal that would allow Saddam to live.
As I never thought that my governement would sell weapons to Iran within a few years of our hostages being released.

Just as most of America did not know that Kennedy removed missiles from Turkey to get the Missiles out of Cuba. Politically, it would have ruined him at the time he cut the deal. That is why it was kept secret. It made it look like he had stood up to the Russians. In reality that is a half-truth.

Point is, we will not know for years. I do agree, part of the collapse has to do with the government disappearance. However, given the two incidents above, I believe anything is possible if it makes someone look good and successful.

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I don't know if any of this is true.


But, I do remember that you one who has spent quite a bit of time studying the JFK years.

I was seven in 1962 during Cuban missile crisis.
I do remember JFK being widely hailed for his handling of that event. I also remember my conservative father saying it was a sellout to the Soviets. The Soviets wanted our missiles removed from Easter Europe/ Turkey and Cuba was the ploy they used to accomplish this. This story got no traction in the sixties. History now reports there is linkage between Cuban missile removal and our Europe missile removal.

Afghanistan is hailed as a success. It is deteriorating daily, no one is paying attention.
What really happened in Iraq? Most Administrations mislead the American people. I am certain this Administration is doing that now. This story? I will not rush to judgment. Sometimes truth gets out. Sometimes it does not. This Administration is the best ever at containing and controlling information.
THis is scary deep, I did not see what you typed, but this whole deal in Iraq made me think of the Cuban Missile Crisis too.

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for the record-
ive been kept out of the loop on this..

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But Dreadsox, the statement "I'm sorry, I just can't believe that Bush would accept any deal that would allow Saddam to live" wasn't really intended as a statement about his character (which I am highly admirable of). It was more a statement about how much Bush despises Saddam, and the fear that if Saddam's regime lives, they may someday rise up to do this all again.
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this makes me very skeptical...

I find it very hard to believe the US make any deal with Saddam. I think capturing, exhiling him, or killing him would bring us better PR so we would try to do that before making any deal...

just my thought.
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apparently our new defense secretary is vince mcmahon...

please... i hope no one even considers believing that this entire war was a staged event by bush, putin and hussein... if you do, i pray for you
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