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Old 07-27-2005, 02:01 PM   #46
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Deep, we rationalized w/ Khadafi and today there is peace between the 2 sides.

we've spoken to and tried to rationalize w/ other leaders as well, but to no avail. both side have to come to a mutual positive agreement.

these terrorists are sick individuals (maybe even beyond repair) and they haven't responded kindly to that.

oh and PS, maybe the war on terrorism and homeland security might just be working, according to my calculations, there haven't been any succesful terrorist plots on the US soil since 9/11
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it's not BLIND faith. we are for the most part, moral people who elected officials who will do what's in the best interest of it's people.
Even if you believe that politicians try to act in the best interests of their constituents (which, let's face it, isn't exactly a given) that's not a guarantee that they're right.
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you equate underdeveloped or 3rd world countries to prisons? i guess on one hand that is sort of accurate, but on the other no one deserves to go without food, water, shelter, etc. the point isn't to "pay them off," but to help everyone achieve a better quality of life. you know, sort of get to them before the islamists do. as u2democrat said, it's about attacking the roots. someone earlier was talking about racism and how we just passed laws and it disappeared. perhaps they forgot about several centuries of slavery? jim crow laws? the kkk? racism didn't exactly bow out gracefully and it's still not gone. terrorism will probably never be eliminated which makes the name for the war pretty stupid anyway, but there is a chance to weaken the hold of radical islam on arabs. i don't see how bombing and invading has helped that. perhaps it's time to try something new?
No, you missed the point. The point being that while it's true everyone deserves food, water, shelter etc; not having those things is no excuse to do evil things.

Plus, it's completely besides the point. These terrorists aren't doing what they are doing for monetary gain, or for a better life. It's being done for religious reasons. Bin Laden himself is a multi multi millionaire (at least he was). He certainly didn't attack the WTC because he was thirsty. Al Qauda wasn't formed to improve the lives of those around them. It was formed to stop an atheist country from invading a Muslim one. Same with the PLO. You are thinking this is a war of economics; it's not. It's a war of ideologies.

And as has been said before, you can't erradicate an idea in any way; be it economic or diplomatic. You can surrender to it, or you can fight for your own.
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It was formed to stop an atheist country from invading a Muslim one. Same with the PLO.
Really?
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FizzingWhizzbees, correct, our politians might not always be right, but i'll roll the dice w/ them (Bush, Clinton, Reagan anyone), than the regimes in any other country.
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you equate underdeveloped or 3rd world countries to prisons? i guess on one hand that is sort of accurate, but on the other no one deserves to go without food, water, shelter, etc. the point isn't to "pay them off," but to help everyone achieve a better quality of life. you know, sort of get to them before the islamists do. as u2democrat said, it's about attacking the roots.
right. although there were many motives for going into Iraq, I do believe that this was one. the logic being that people in a democratic society tend to have a higher quality of life and less anger/frustration that can be channelled into extremism. this obviously isn't true in the short term, but we'll have to see how it works out in the long term (best case being a functioning democracy and improving economy, worst case being civil war).

as far as someone else's comments about negotiating with terrorists...of course we negotiate with terrorists, when it's feasible or beneficial! always have, always will. saying otherwise is just rhetoric, and all administrations use rhetoric, it's nothing new or particularly alarming.
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Then you're talking about preventing people from acting upon an ideology, not preventing them from believing in it.



Well, like it or not the poster you were replying to didn't make a grand generalisation about all people who hold a particular political belief. You did and that's what I responded to.
Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm an American; I believe people can think whatever the hell they want to think, and believe whatever the hell they want to believe. Those are the basic principles of this country. And as long as those people arn't ramming airplanes into skyscrapers or bombing innocent commuters, or gassing peasant farmers; then more power to 'em.


And hey, when the poster makes a snide comment, and I read other snide comments from other posters who share his beliefs, or see them on TV, or from others I know; I form an opinion about that group.
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Really?
Yep really. Al Qaeda was formed to stop the Soviet invasion into Afghanistan.
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Yep really. Al Qaeda was formed to stop the Soviet invasion into Afghanistan.
I was talking about the idea that the PLO was formed to "stop an athiest country invading a Muslim one." You sure about that?
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oh and PS, maybe the war on terrorism and homeland security might just be working, according to my calculations, there haven't been any succesful terrorist plots on the US soil since 9/11
I have heard more than one member of the administration sat this too.

Is it correct?
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I was talking about the idea that the PLO was formed to "stop an athiest country invading a Muslim one." You sure about that?
Didn't say that. My reference of the PLO was as it's another terrorist org that was formed for ideological reasons; not economic ones. Don't look for insults where they're not intended. If you're looking to be insulted, I can definately help you out. But let's make sure it's intentional.
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oh and PS, maybe the war on terrorism and homeland security might just be working, according to my calculations, there haven't been any succesful terrorist plots on the US soil since 9/11
Was there a terrorists attack on U. S. soil that killed any Americans during Clinton's Administration?
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Didn't say that. My reference of the PLO was as it's another terrorist org that was formed for ideological reasons; not economic ones. Don't look for insults where they're not intended. If you're looking to be insulted, I can definately help you out. But let's make sure it's intentional.
I think you'll find I was questioning either your knowledge of world politics or your ability to write coherent English, rather than looking to be insulted.
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OKC?

heh. anyway, I think the logic that there hasn't been another attack since 9/11 means Bush's policies work is something the GOP was banking on for re-election. seems to have worked.
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