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Old 11-20-2005, 03:36 PM   #16
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This is just more of the same old strategy the Bushies have been using from day one: when being criticized, don't respond to the actual criticism; instead, attack those who dare to criticize.
I agree. Would someone please tell the Veep that this is not the way to get respect for what he's doing? Accusing us of hating the troops because we are pissed off at the big shots in Washington and not the soldiers is really low. If Cheney can't take criticism he should have never started a political career, period. If he wants to score low with historians or whoever, hey, it's not my problem, I'm just Artist Joan Q. II don't have any power and don't want any. It seems to me that Cheney isn't willing to put up with all of the risks he gets with the glory of his job, the responsibility to deal with criticism is important for someone in his position. If he can't take it, tough luck, he'll have to put up with it as long as people are doing polls. I really feel alot of anger and resentment towards Cheney right now. I do not like to call people creeps, but I'm really starting to think of Cheney as a first class creep right now. He's pissing me off, and I do have a temper. No guts, no glory. I am very pissed at the people in Washington, I am absolutely not pissed at our troops. They're wonderful, they are doctors and nurses giving health care, they are helping rebuild schools, they are doing all sorts of wonderful things. To accuse people like me of hating the troops is just plain despicable and it pisses me off big time.
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This is just more of the same old strategy the Bushies have been using from day one: when being criticized, don't respond to the actual criticism; instead, attack those who dare to criticize.
Sometimes you don't respond directly to the criticism in order to avoid giving it undue validity.

Response to constructive criticism (the kind that offers reasoned alternatives instead of just complaining) is more appropriate.

Simply saying "pull our troops" is not offering an exit strategy, does not lead to increased stability in the region, and makes excellent "locker room material" for the insurgents.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/22/po...gewanted=print

"Only a year ago, though, Mr. Murtha wrote in the epilogue to the paperback edition of a biography he wrote with a former aide that "an untimely exit could rapidly devolve into a civil war, which would leave America's foreign policy in disarray as countries question not only America's judgment but also its perseverance."

But in several trips to Iraq in the last year, he said that he became convinced that the military was not making progress at defeating the insurgency. Yet, he said, the Bush administration ignored his efforts to open private discussions on devising a bipartisan course change.

A letter on Iraq that Mr. Murtha said he sent to Mr. Bush last year did not get a reply until five months later, and then from a underling at the Pentagon, he complained.

"I deserve more respect than that," he said.

Mr. Murtha said he began discussing his growing unease with the military presence in Iraq with longtime advisers, including two retired generals and a former secretary of the Army, whom he would not identify. They urged him not to call publicly for a withdrawal, he said, but as his doubts about the war grew, "they finally came around."
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