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Old 05-23-2007, 07:17 PM   #61
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I'm just telling you what is coming directly from their mouths.



I think you overestimate his pull and the roll of Iraq in 2008.
The fact that McCain draws voters from a wider base that past Republican candidates is a proven fact, at least in terms of the polling data. If Iraq is not the top issue in 2008, then it would only benefit Republicans since the Democrats don't have anything else to run on.
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Old 05-23-2007, 07:20 PM   #62
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Many veterans, colonels, and others in the military don't think so...
But the majority do, and the evidence so far shows that they are correct.
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The fact that McCain draws voters from a wider base that past Republican candidates is a proven fact, at least in terms of the polling data.
Then why is he losing in some states?
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But the majority do, and the evidence so far shows that they are correct.
And what "evidence" is that?
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Old 05-23-2007, 07:25 PM   #65
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As if people aren't also sick to death of Bush, the entire administration and Republican corruption running rampant.

McCain is polling like 20 points behind Romney in some states. I think he's DOA.
Well, 3 months ago he was DOA because of Rudy, now its Romney. Rudy can't win the Republican nomination, Romney will stay in for the long hall because he has the money, but in the long run, McCain will get the nomination. Hell Pat Buchanan beat George Bush's father in New Hampshire, which was obviously irrelevant. Most national polls have McCain with a solid lead over Romney.
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And what "evidence" is that?
Polls, obviously.
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Hell Pat Buchanan beat George Bush's father in New Hampshire,
Such fond memories...
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Oh, yeah.
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And what "evidence" is that?
As has been widely reported, the level of sectarian violence in Baghdad has dropped. Overall Violence in Al Anbar province is also down, and local tribes that were either indifferent or hostile to coalition forces are now helping them. Violence is still strong in other area's just north and south of Baghdad, but the area's that were initially targeted in the surge have had some success.
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As has been widely reported, the level of sectarian violence in Baghdad has dropped. Overall Violence in Al Anbar province is also down, and local tribes that were either indifferent or hostile to coalition forces are now helping them. Violence is still strong in other area's just north and south of Baghdad, but the area's that were initially targeted in the surge have had some success.
Um, sorry but violence in Baghdad was reducing before the first surge, which makes sense, since it's been occuppied since day one.
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Well, 3 months ago he was DOA because of Rudy, now its Romney.
No, he's DOA because he's an old windbag who stands for nothing anymore.
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Democrats don't have anything else to run on.
Oil companies fucking us all over, health care failing miserably, Constitutional rights being trampled.

Nope. Nothing else.
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As has been widely reported...
by whom is the key question there


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Oil companies fucking us all over, health care failing miserably, Constitutional rights being trampled.

Nope. Nothing else.


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No, he's DOA because he's an old windbag who stands for nothing anymore.


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Well, it breaks my heart to think that these two are the predicted front runners. Neither of them appeal to me. My own community was shaken from the ground up, and neither one of them has any sort of policy that will prevent something like this from happening again.

But...since I have to choose between these two, I suppose I'll pick Obama. But for the record, I don't forsee much progress happening from either of these two candidates. At least, not what I consider to be worthy progress. But who knows...perhaps they could surprise me
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Um, sorry but violence in Baghdad was reducing before the first surge, which makes sense, since it's been occuppied since day one.
Sectarian violence in Baghdad rapidly increased after Al Quada's bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra in February 2006. 90% of the sectarian violence in Iraq occurs in and around Baghdad. General Petraeus, the new US commander in Iraq who was approved unanimously by Democrats and Republicans decided on the surge in Baghdad to reduce the sectarian violence as well sending extra Marines to Al Anbar province to reduce violence there. In addition, negotiations with Sunni Tribes in the Al Anbar province have brought new allies in the war against Sunni insurgence and Al Quada. In Baghdad, sectarian violence has been reduced as reported by both Iraqi and US military forces on the ground there. In addition overall violence in Al Anbar province is down. Many Sunni insurgents and Al Quada have fled to Diyala province leading to an increase in violence there, but the efforts in both Al Anbar and Baghdad have made progress.
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