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Old 02-15-2006, 10:52 PM   #16
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Well I think musical training is thought to have somewhat different benefits. Supposedly it helps build math skills, although I can't say it ever helped me much in that area.
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I don't know about console games because I have always felt that they were simplistic, but PC games such as Deus Ex, Rainbow Six, Civ, Arcanum etc. are definitely more than excercises in mashing buttons.
There are many good games that offer tactical and strategic elements which provide a different mental challenge vs. the simple first person shooter.
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or perhaps it was because i was only able to last 3 minutes playing Halo with a bunch of 9 year olds.

Isn't that a M(Mature) game? What the heck are nine year olds doing playing that?
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Isn't that a M(Mature) game? What the heck are nine year olds doing playing that?
many parents buy kids those games
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I have a middle school aged cousin and all he ever does, all he's done for the past 5 years, is play video games. When he's not home, he has his portable systems, even in church with the sound off. Unfortunately, he also has problems socially because he has a rare form of ADHD (he's VERY smart and quick and has no patience for his peers and if he can't get something right on the first attempt, he won't try). I know he's a more extreme case, but I look at him and feel sad because these games offer him nothing. He has no true friends, no hobbies, no desire to do anything but play games. My aunt has to pay me to sit with him and get him to do his math homework. He would forget to eat if he was left to his video games.
My son and my step son only want to play video games. I've been battling with my son for a few years now for him to do other things. He isn't interested. He was a loner up until this year (1st year in high school). Now he hangs out with friends more frequently. we have a few computers in the house, and their favorite thing to do is to get online and play the same game against each other.
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I have a middle school aged cousin and all he ever does, all he's done for the past 5 years, is play video games. When he's not home, he has his portable systems, even in church with the sound off. Unfortunately, he also has problems socially because he has a rare form of ADHD (he's VERY smart and quick and has no patience for his peers and if he can't get something right on the first attempt, he won't try). I know he's a more extreme case, but I look at him and feel sad because these games offer him nothing. He has no true friends, no hobbies, no desire to do anything but play games. My aunt has to pay me to sit with him and get him to do his math homework. He would forget to eat if he was left to his video games.

I have a cousin just like that, but he's a grown up, he's 27, and I kinda hate him (sorry :P ). althought he has finished a college degree he spents his entire day playing games on the computer, he doesn't have friends and he lives wondering why doesn't he have a girlfriend .

Maybe videogames can develop some abilities but ... that doesn't mean that people will get happier with them.
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As a former video games addict as a kid (I still play them from time to time, but very rarely) I find it very difficult to see how computer games are good for you.

Im not anti-video games or anything (the occassional play never did any harm) but many games I've played involve mostly button bashing, my memory is pathetic and personality-wise I never gained anything from them (I became addicted, which harmed my childhood, IMO).

Like I said, I like video games and all (although much of todays video games are graphicly tarted up rubbish that bores me) but I fail to see any benefits that can be had by playing them.

My little brothers spend almost all of their free time playing them, it definately is NOT doing them any good and its sad to see that they would rather sit infront of a TV and console all day than go out, play with their friends, play football, etc...
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i feel so old -- i loved Nintendo, and Super Nintendo back in the late 80s/early 90s.

these days, i'm all about crossword puzzles and Sudoku.
I do crossword puzzles while I eat ... with the TV on in the background, running back and forth to the computer to check on whatever it is that I'm downloading and burning, popping in here to put in my two cents worth, talking on my cell phone and doing laundry...all at the same time. Being born at the very end of the baby boomer generation, I have one foot in the old world and one in the hi-tech world but seem to be more of the hi-speed multitasking variety than most of my friends my age. I've always been slightly ADHD, too, so in my case I don't know if this kind of multitasking exacerbates an existing problem or if it just happens to suit my personality. In college before we used computers (ack, so old!) I used to do my best work in noisy public places, and in NYC I slept better on the subway than in my bed, so I tend to think this is just how I am.
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As for the issue of parents buying games for kids, we had an incident here like that a few years back. Some high school kids spent all their time playing GTA. Then one night they got bored of just playing on TV. They got a friend's car and started running down pedestrians until they ended up running over a cyclist. Then the got out of the car and started beating and kicking him. Then they went and picked up their girlfriends, came back, and continued kicking him to death.

When the police went to their house to investigate, they found a four year old playing GTA.
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I wonder how many more instances of copy cat behavior we will need to realize that there is a negative influence from some of these video games.
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I wonder how many more instances of copy cat behavior we will need to realize that there is a negative influence from some of these video games.


You know, like with the gun thing, I say "people kill people", but that still doesn't address the fact that certain games have ZERO value. Nobody would suffer if these games did not exist. Therefore, I can't think of any reason they should. I'm sure the kids that killed the cyclist were messed up and probably would've committed a similar crime eventually, but there's no WAY you can say that the game had nothing to do with that murder. I've never played a full game of GTA, but from what people told me, what they did to that man was like a real-life replica. It's just sick. Some guy out for a bike ride gets run over by a bunch of kids and then kicked to death.
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I wonder how many more instances of copy cat behavior we will need to realize that there is a negative influence from some of these video games.


aren't we alone responsible for our behavior? isn't blaming the games an abdication of personal responsibility?

or is it only media that victimizes people?
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I wonder how many more instances of copy cat behavior we will need to realize that there is a negative influence from some of these video games.
I wonder how many more instances of gun violence we will need to realize that there is a negative influence from some of these guns.

And, just as gun ownership is protected by the Second Amendment, video game publishing is protected by the First Amendment. Other nations have these same exact video games and do not have remotely the same crime rates as the U.S. Maybe we should stop scapegoating the media for America's cultural problems.

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aren't we alone responsible for our behavior? isn't blaming the games an abdication of personal responsibility?

or is it only media that victimizes people?
Notice my use of the word "influence" instead of "blame". We miss the issue if we jump back and forth between extremes.

People don't play video games and then immediately have the images and experiences removed from their memory. Games can have a negative influence. We've seen it in some copycat behavior.
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