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Old 10-05-2004, 07:42 PM   #91
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Not by a whole lot though.
you kidding? he cleaned his clock
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Old 10-05-2004, 07:46 PM   #92
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I didn't think it was that much. The second half, yes, but the first half of the debate was essentially a draw, IMO.
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Cheney rocked Edwards so bad in this debate. He made Edwards look like a school boy. I love Bush but I wish he could work Kerry over like Cheney did to Edwards.

And it's about time they point out the horrible voting record in the Senate for Kerry and Edwards...it's a shame the media is giving these guys a free pass on that when there is so much at stake.
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Old 10-05-2004, 08:03 PM   #94
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cheney won the debate?

how?

by refusing to answer questions?

gimmee a fucking break; he is hanging the threat of terrorism over our heads just to get people to live in fear and have them be re-elected.

how about a little thing called haliburton?

excuse me while I go to the bathroom and throw up.

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This is a very sound victory for Cheney as I predicted. No question about that. Edwards was simply overmatched. The only problem is--I'm betting not alot of people watched it. The President needs a similar result in the next two debates in order to gain back some of the lead he lost as a result of his poor performance in the first debate.
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CNN is saying that their insta-polling "feelings tracker" thingy showed that Edwards won among the group of 24 undecideds that they had there.
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Edwards held his own against Cheney, which isn't good considering it was a Vice President against a nominee. And Cheney didn't respond to the Halliburton claims for obvious reasons. He never responded to claims that there was no connection between al Qaeda and Iraq. In fact, he said he never made that connection before, which is a TOTAL LIE! And he never answered Edwards's claims that he was lying. All he could do was play catch up with the domestic issues. Cheney may have won the debate but barely. He didn't help the campaign. Didn't hurt it either.

Edwards is ahead in CNN and MSNBC's polls. Anyone seeing any others?
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Current CNN poll results:

Who do you think won the vice presidential debate?

Dick Cheney 16% 16610 votes

John Edwards 79% 80445 votes

Evenly matched 4% 4345 votes
Total: 101400 votes

And the MSNBC poll:

VP Dick Cheney 29%
Sen. John Edwards 71%

For the record, I voted "Evenly matched" in the CNN poll and for Cheney (cause even though I support Kerry, Cheney did edge Edwards, IMO) in the MSNBC poll.
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Edwards is currently leading in the fox poll as well.
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And Cheney NEVER responded to any of these issues from Edwards. NEVER.

"He voted against Head Start.
"He voted against banning plastic weapons that can pass through medical detectors.
"He voted against 'Meals on Wheels' for Seniors.
"He voted against a holiday for Martin Luther King.
"He voted against a resolution calling for the release of Nelson Mandela."
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That was Edwards' killer statement, and Cheney looked completely pissed off when that was said.
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And what about this from 9/13/04?

On Thursday in Cincinnati, Ohio, Cheney described Saddam as a "man who provided safe harbor and sanctuary to terrorists for years" and who "provided safe harbor and sanctuary as well for al Qaeda."
In Wisconsin on Friday, he said the "al Qaeda organization had a relationship with the Iraqis."
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...y.powell.iraq/

Or today?
A CIA report has found no conclusive evidence that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein harbored Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, which the Bush administration asserted before the invasion of Iraq.
"There's no conclusive evidence the Saddam Hussein regime had harbored Zarqawi," a U.S. official said on Tuesday about the CIA findings.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...usa_zarqawi_dc

Cheney blatantly lied. He may have had a good night but he blatantly lied.
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cheney won the debate?

how?

by refusing to answer questions?

gimmee a fucking break; he is hanging the threat of terrorism over our heads just to get people to live in fear and have them be re-elected.

how about a little thing called haliburton?

excuse me while I go to the bathroom and throw up.

amazing that I'm on a U2 fan board and having this discussion.
I'd like to inform you that there many U2 fans who support BUSH! Just in this forum there are over 50 U2 fans that will be voting for him! One of the biggest U2 fans I know is currently flying combat missions in Iraq with the Marines on his second tour of duty there. He is a Republican and supports Bush!

Even BONO supports Bush on the war in Afghanistan!

So lets make some things clear. U2 are not pacifist, and a large number of their fans are Republicans and do support BUSH.

The whole Haliburton thing is an absurd diversion and classic mud slinging.

Oh and its about time that John Edwards and John Kerry start recognizing the new Iraqi Military and Government for their sacrifices in establishing a free and prosperous Iraq! They have completely ignored their sacrifices as well as the sacrifices of Polish, Ukrainian and other coalition forces in Iraq. There is a coalition in Iraq and the new Iraqi military and police force which numbers 100,000 is apart of it! Unfortunately, the Kerry/Edwards team either doesn't know this or does not care to recognize it!
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I believe the debate was a draw. I believe both came out with great and strong points and statements but do not see this as a clear win for Cheney at all.
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And Cheney NEVER responded to any of these issues from Edwards. NEVER.

"He voted against Head Start.
"He voted against banning plastic weapons that can pass through medical detectors.
"He voted against 'Meals on Wheels' for Seniors.
"He voted against a holiday for Martin Luther King.
"He voted against a resolution calling for the release of Nelson Mandela."
i agree this was definitely his low point (or at least this moment or his non-response to the iraq/al qaeda connection). he looked bad. and it was basically a given that he would avoid halliburton. edwards could have done more with the halliburton issue, imo. i still think edwards looked weak and inexperienced. i expected more from him and i'm disappointed.
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