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I don't think Cheney won at all. I think he was evasive and snide. He looked and acted as if he couldn't believe people had the audacity to ask HIM questions.
pub crawler said:Wow, sharky, you're actually cheering me up. (You should fucking be running the Kerry/Edwards Campaign).
sharky said:
What are you talking about? Iraq WAS NOT part of the coalition. We ATTACKED THEM. We can't attack a country that is part a coalition. If Iraq were an ally, we would never have gone into the damn country with tanks. If you want to include the "Iraqi military" that's fine but then also include all the civilians we have killed. There is no Iraqi military until the Iraqi forces are controlled by Iraq. They are being helped by the U.S. by alot.
The sacrifices of our allies is great but only 10% of allied deaths were not U.S. soldiers. 10%! The Poles have said they are pulling out. And the Ukraine? How many soldiers have they brought to the cause? 100? 1,000? No way.
STING2 said:
The United States military and the Iraqi military DO NOT MURDER CIVILIANS!
DaveC said:
Hurrah for rhetoric!!
Oh, and could you please show me a quote where Bono supports the war?
DaveC said:
Of course. How could I be so naive? The Democrats are obviously evil and would stoop to that kind of a low.
Those are online polls that anyone can take. Come on now, pay attention at least.
deep said:
Can we say it together
RIGTH WAR
RIGHT PLACE
RIGHT TIME
STING2 said:
I'd like to inform you that there many U2 fans who support BUSH! Just in this forum there are over 50 U2 fans that will be voting for him! One of the biggest U2 fans I know is currently flying combat missions in Iraq with the Marines on his second tour of duty there. He is a Republican and supports Bush!
Even BONO supports Bush on the war in Afghanistan!
So lets make some things clear. U2 are not pacifist, and a large number of their fans are Republicans and do support BUSH.
Unscientific polls that Democrats have staffed people to vote on in order to give the appearence of victory.
Dick Cheney never said that Saddam was responsible for 9/11! Who ever claims that is simply wrong!
namkcuR said:I would say Edwards won this debate, simply because he was always talking TO us, while Cheany seems to like talking AT us, if that makes any sense.
As for the subject matter, it's nothing new. You know, it's like you can ram it in as many times as you like 'Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, Saddam has no links to Al Queda, etc etc etc', and Cheany and Bush will just be totally oblivious to it. It's one of their biggest weaknesses, they absolutely refuse to even think about admitting they've made any mistakes.
And please, don't sit here and try to tell me that Bono is in favor of Iraq or that he shares right-wing points of views. Please. Bono kisses ass with the right because he needs to be in their good graces for Africa-related reasons, because THEY are in power. That's it. But if Bono is just alone in his home, talking to friends about politics, he's all left. Anyone here that's followed this band through the years, I don't think would even suggest that Bono all of a sudden became a right-winger. He doesn't support Iraq, he DID support Afghanistan. I didn't have too much of a problem with Afghanistan either, Osama and Al Queda were there, and THEY were responsible for 9/11. We had a chance to get Osama even, and it is my contention, along with many others, that Bush blew it. Then Iraq happened, and it was completely niether here nor there. The Iraqi invasion is helping Al Queda, not hurting it. We are actually helping the people that planned and carried out 9/11. Imagine that.
Anyway, I'm off-topic. I think Edwards won. He's just much more approachable. Cheany can really be slimy sometimes.
paxetaurora said:
Ever?
Not even once?
Not ever?
Hawk269 said:Let's be clear: Chris Matthews exposed Ben Ginsberg, Dick Cheney, and the rest of the GOP as LIARS on the alleged connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda by showing videotape where Cheney contradicted himself between what he said last year on Meet the Press and here on this VP debate. You can't have it both ways and use a connection to start a war and then deny it next year when you are proven dead WRONG.
The truth HURTS. And don't try changing the subject in ANY rebuttals to this post. They lied. End of story.
AJ
STING2 said:
Members of the US military in Iraq have engaged and killed members of Al Quada. If you have some tangible evidence to prove that invading Iraq has helped Al Quada, please show it. Has Al Quada replaced the huge operation in Afganistan that it had prior to 9/11 anywhere in the world? Instead of presuming that it has helped them, please show specifically how the invasion of Iraq has helped Al Quada.
Even though I have met Bono, I don't claim to know all his political beliefs or what he says among friends. The Fact is, most of BONO's political beliefs are unknown among a variety of issues. Its wrong to take certain causes BONO was for in specific area's and extropolate them to other causes and issues for which BONO or any other member of the band has never taken a stand on.
BONO supported Bush on the war in Afghanistan and was against the war in Iraq. I know BONO is not a right winger and NEVER CLAIMED that he was either. So lets stop these extrapolations about what people say and believe.
STING2 said:
Cheney did not say in that clip that Saddam was behind 9/11! He stated that the war in Iraq would deny the terrorist of a potential base and supplier in the war on terrorism. Saddam Hussien was sending aid to terrorist in Israel who were walking into cafe's and disco's bombing civilians.
Chris Matthews is a liberal who has made more mistakes an extrapolations than I care to mention. He knows Edwards was crushed and was anxious to show something for his party.
OH, this place is called FREE YOUR MIND. Welcome to rebuttal city. No one has EVER been proven to have lied of anything in this administration! Its time to stop abusing the word!
BonoVoxSupastar said:
A little testy are we? I don't think anyone said anything about Bono being a pacifists in this thread or that there weren't any Republican U2 fans. Where is this hostility coming from?
This is pretty ironic coming from one of the people who post the most polls in this forum.
Twisting once again?! There have been numerous quotes posted in here where Cheney has suggested that Saddam had a part in 9/11.
STING2 said:No one has EVER been proven to have lied of anything in this administration!
namkcuR said:
You want proof that the war has helped Al-Queda? Watch the news, man. These be-headings that keep happening? Some of that is Al-Queda. But the big thing is that Iraq has become a haven for terrorists like Al Queda to train their newer members, to build up. This is post-Saddam Iraq I'm referring to, of course. The war is helping Al-Queda because they are NOT our main focus right now. We've taken our eye off the ball. They're not under our microscope anymore and that gives them the freedom to operate and train and plan and build up in general. It's not that complicated of a concept.
DaveC said:
Oh man, I'm not even gonna TOUCH that one...
STING2 said:
If there was solid proof of a lie, the President would have been impeached by now. The Democrats would of swormed over such evidence like flies on dung.
STING2 said:
Cheney did not say in that clip that Saddam was behind 9/11! He stated that the war in Iraq would deny the terrorist of a potential base and supplier in the war on terrorism. Saddam Hussien was sending aid to terrorist in Israel who were walking into cafe's and disco's bombing civilians.
Chris Matthews is a liberal who has made more mistakes an extrapolations than I care to mention. He knows Edwards was crushed and was anxious to show something for his party.
OH, this place is called FREE YOUR MIND. Welcome to rebuttal city. No one has EVER been proven to have lied of anything in this administration! Its time to stop abusing the word!