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Old 10-06-2004, 10:43 AM   #196
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During the debate last nite Cheney mentioned the website factcheck.com click the link and see what you find! http://www.factcheck.com

I guess that is what you call a freudian slip.


Hopefully some of his uninformed supporters will go there and learn something.




edit to ask

Why this is not the 'headline' on Drudge?
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Old 10-06-2004, 10:56 AM   #197
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it's apparent brother cheney was underwhelmed with edwards first intoduction and had forgotten about it.

john edwards never went out of his way to introduce himself in the Senate, that's the point.

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Then what about the second and the third? And how could he really go out of his way to talk to Cheney if Cheney only met with Republicans? What about Tim Russert saying both men shook hands and made pleasantries when they met backstage at his show? Fact remains that Cheney was trying to be cute and came off as a liar.

As for serving as acting president of the Senate, Cheney did so two Tuesdays in four years -- the same amount as John Edwards.
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:03 PM   #198
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I guess that is what you call a freudian slip.

Hopefully some of his uninformed supporters will go there and learn something.
Cute. I guess you love third party influences on the campaign.



Good old Soros.
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Old 10-06-2004, 02:27 PM   #199
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Edwards came off as overrated and dorky (especially when he giggled when he couldn't stop mentioning Kerry's name for that one question he wasn't supposed to) and Cheney came off as old, gruff, and ugly which is how he's always been. IMO... given the format of the debate, Cheney was more effective. Both dodged points but Cheney had the memorable lines (paraphrase: How can you stand up to terrorism if you can't even stand up to Howard Dean [ouch]) and Cheney actually countered quite a few Edwards points effectively with facts (be they accurate or questionable) while Edwards continually used the answer time for specific questions for prior questions (not a good use of time generally).

IMO Cheney "won" the debate. It could be a by a smidge or it could be by a lot. Either way, Cheney came off as the more effective debater while at the least Edwards didn't come off looking like William Stockdale.

Touching moment for Cheney was in reference to the issue of gay marriage...

I think Edwards closing statement was pretty good though.

If Bush had come out against Kerry the way Cheney did against Edwards, Bush would be at the advantage at this point and not worrying about a shrinking lead. IMO Cheney debated the way I thought Bush should have debated on foreign policy night. Maybe for the next time out, Bush should have Cheney speaking into his earpiece instead of Rove b/c Bush would probably be more effective then.
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On another note, I thought it was pretty funny that factcheck.org got a plug by Veep Cheney...
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what mr FuManchu said

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On another note, I thought it was pretty funny that factcheck.org got a plug by Veep Cheney...
They didn't. Internet squatter factcheck.com did.

As for Cheney's zingers, the Howard Dean thing was ok. His problem was one of his big zingers "i've never met you before tonight." was a total lie. His "I never said there was an Iraq-al Qaeda connection." was as big as the non-existant Al Gore "I invented the Internet."

Edwards was a bit off his game and didn't really stay on target. That being said, I LOVED his response to Cheney's attack on his voting record. I mean, c'mon! Who votes against Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr. and American grandmas?
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I think the issues of Cheney's votes in the past are relatively effective (in terms of the Martin Luther King holiday, Mandela, etc. - maybe energize the base but I think swing voters don't give rat's ass in the sense that those issues were around in the first election and din't hurt him that much then) I'm not saying Edwards didn't have some effective moments but Cheney's was more effective. Hell, Bush had some effective moments but that didn't win him crap or make him more effective then Kerry was.

Yeah... Cheney should have gotten his addresses straight but it was pretty funny either way just b/c its factcheck.org getting a plug... Maybe Kerry will mention snopes.com LOL
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Also, factcheck.org is down.... hmmmmmm
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Yeah,

the ditto heads are probably crashing it trying to find out how Cheney is not a slimeball profiteer.
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Actually factcheck had a piece/ information that made Cheney look good and tried to show that Cheney doesn't benefit from Haliburton., etc...

But deep... keep fighting the good fight b/c obviously your comments sway so many people to Kerry and Edwards side
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Actually factcheck had a piece/ information that made Cheney look good and tried to show that Cheney doesn't benefit from Haliburton., etc...

What is EVEN funnier is you and Cheney are WRONG.

factcheck.org

says Edwards was essentially RIGHT.

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The center had run a piece saying Cheney had not profited personally while in office from Halliburton’s Iraq contracts, and that was the piece Cheney was referring to.

But on Wednesday morning, the center's Web site had a detailed analysis of the vice-presidential debate, and it says that much of what Sen. John Edwards said about Halliburton (HAL, news, msgs) was correct.

The problem here comes from separating what Cheney did as vice president and what he did as Halliburton’s chief.

There is no evidence that, in his current job, Cheney acted improperly with regard to Halliburton. With the exception of one vague e-mail on the issue sent to the vice president’s chief of staff, there is nothing to indicate that Cheney had anything to do with Halliburton’s sole-source contract from the Pentagon.

Moreover, there is no indication he benefited in any way from that contract. His arrangement for receiving deferred compensation from the company was cleared by government ethics officers, and is standard practice.

Doing business with Iran
But Cheney’s record as Halliburton’s chief executive is cloudier.

Edwards was wrong to say Halliburton paid millions in fines while Cheney was its chief executive – but not wrong by much. The Securities and Exchange Commission only recently announced that Halliburton would pay $7.5 million to settle a matter that dates to 1998, when Cheney was chief executive. Cheney was not charged with wrongdoing.

Edwards was also only half-right when he said Halliburton “did business with Libya and Iran” while Cheney was at the helm. The company did do business with Iran, but it stopped doing business with Libya before Cheney joined the company.

We’ll do fact checking of our own Wednesday on “Capital Report.” We’ll talk to two undecided voters who watched the vice-presidential debate, and we’ll try to find out how the presidential race may change as a result.
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source article here
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uhmmmm factcheck.org is down still so I have no way of bringing up that piece...

That factcheck piece was what I was referring to b/c the Kerry/ Edwards campaign has been insinuating that Cheney is doing some under the table business/ profitting with Haliburton while being Veep. Factcheck was saying that was not the case.
Your source mentions that....

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The center had run a piece saying Cheney had not profited personally while in office from Halliburton’s Iraq contracts, and that was the piece Cheney was referring to.
The article you mention agrees with that sentiment mentioning that Cheney has no interests or did not profit from Haliburton except for deferred payment of what he is OWED. Cheney sold his stock options and gave them to charity, etc...

Again your article basically clears Cheney of some of the Haliburton attacks... like this statement...

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There is no evidence that, in his current job, Cheney acted improperly with regard to Halliburton. With the exception of one vague e-mail on the issue sent to the vice president’s chief of staff, there is nothing to indicate that Cheney had anything to do with Halliburton’s sole-source contract from the Pentagon.
As for the issues Cheney MAY have had with Haliburton before his vice-presidency... even your source material isn't clear on that.

But okay... b/c its you deep... I'll just say I'm wrong and Cheney is EVIL.... EVIL I tell you.
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No lying eh?

So where are the WMD's?

Where's the Saddam-Al Qaida connection?

Shall I go on?
Yep.

The criteria for war in the case of Saddam was whether or not he had VERIFIABLY DISARMED of all WMD per the 1991 Gulf War Ceace fire. Saddam failed to do this which made the war necessary.

Members of Saddam's regime have had contact with members of Al Quada in the past.

You can go on if you want.
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