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Old 03-06-2002, 05:11 PM   #1
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Very interesting dissertation on music.

Grabbed this off Moby's highly entertaining web diary at www.moby.com:

A little update about the state of the music business...
Well, a lot has been said and written recently about the demise of the record business. Last year was the first year in a very long while that income from the sale of records (cd's) actually went down. And apparently sales are down between 10-20% so far this year. Obviously this is primarily attributable to cd burning and downloading. I'm not going to write about whether I'm pro-cd burning or anti-cd burning. In some ways I find it absurd to have an opinion about something that is far beyond my control, like whether the moon is a good or bad thing, or whether winter should be banned.
But I did have one little thought...as time goes by and cd-burning and downloading become more commonplace it is safe to say that the profitability of the record business will continue to decrease. Again, I'm not going to offer an opinion as to whether this is a good or bad thing. But if the record business ceased to be very profitable it would mean that people who are involved in the music business SOLELY to make money would have to move on and do something else (I recommend kiwi farming, apparently kiwi fruits make great wine).
So just a little thought: could you imagine if the only people involved in the music business were people who loved music more than money? It is safe to say that if the record business ceases to be very profitable that manufactured boy bands and girl bands and pop artists will disappear pretty quickly. Ok, I'll offer an opinion because I can't actually contain myself anymore...a world wherein people made music purely out of the love of music as opposed to the love of money would be FUCKING AMAZING.
There, I said it.
I'm sad that the record business is suffering, because I have a lot of friends who are musicians and a lot of friends who work at record stores and record companies and I hate to see them nervous and upset. I love buying cd's and records. I love unwrapping them and reading the liner notes and looking at the pictures, etc. And I don't think that the marriage of art & commerce is always such a terrible thing. Lots of great pieces of music have also been commercially successful. But the marriage of art & commerce seems to have gotten WAY out of hand in the last few years.
I think that a world wherein the profit incentive in the record business was greatly diminished might not be so bad.
I certainly don't want to see record companies and record stores disappear. But I'd love to see the end of people getting involved in the music business just because it can be an easy way to make a lot of money and increase shareholder value. I'm hopeful that if we're all (we=people in the music business) flexible and smart we can actually turn the hard times in the music business into something very positive. That's my hope. And I can't express how excited I would be to see the end of music that is made purely for money. Just think of it...it boggles the mind...to think that we might see a time when the majority of the music being made in the world is made for the love of music and not the love of money...that would be wonderful.
And I'm certainly not saying that there's anything wrong with making money from performing music. But the priorities need to be readjusted. Music is more important than money. Making music for the love of music and eventually having it be profitable is certainly ok. But making music only for the purpose of being profitable is offensive to me.
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wow. That's a GREAT article. And he's right you know. The prospect of this change sifting out people who are in the biz solely for money and not for the love of music is a huge positive. Moby is a cool guy. Good musician...good writer. Thanks for posting that, Skeek.
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Moby is a cool guy. Good musician...good writer
AND... he looks like a nipple!!

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Haha. Moby is one of my favourite comedians - did you watch his Play DVD? Hi-la-rious.

It is a great article and I love his attitude. Unfortunately, I am not as optimistic as him. Profit-seekers will find a way. For instance, bands could invest in the artwork of the liner notes, so that fans will buy the CD for the music as well as the artwork. Like how Radiohead fans have become Stanley Donwood (their resident liner notes artist) fans as well. Or on a lower level, artistes can distribute posters or limited edition postcards etc. with their CDs. It's happening already with Madonna (remember Ray Of Light came with postcards), Sugar Ray (their album sold with posters), Backstreet Boys (more posters).....

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I want to hang out with Moby.
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Moby rules. I especially like the idea of musicians being in the music industry for music and not for money, like he said, itd be fucking amazing.
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Hello,

After reading Moby's message I was reminded of another article about the music industry. Here's a link to an article that originally appeared in the Wall Street Journal (I think the article may only be up until March 13): http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/Newszine/

After reading that, you might also read the comments made on the Starpolish.com/Velvetrope forum (a forum mostly occupied by musicians, music technicians and record company employees):
Velvetrope discussion

So this is the state the music business is currently in. Spending $2.2 million dollars on manufacturing an artist that sells only 378 copies (418 copies with the latest SoundScan figures). And the record companies are wondering why they are not making much profit...?

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Very interesting...

What about examples of the record industry experiencing difficulties NOW. For instance, Mariah Carrie's contract was cancelled due to poor sales, right?

Isn't Moby one of the people whose music is not necessarily created through the normal channels...didn't he record everything in his bedroom? So in order to get the massive amount of recognition he NOW has..he had to have a record company press cds for him, right? So why would HE be against the marriage of commercialism and art? He's making his living that way NOW.

But like I said, what about Mariah Carrie? Is she an example of this "sifting" process?
I find that hard to take because she is considerably talented and she's been at odds with the people in the biz that are supposed to SUPPORT her artistic talent and NOT squelch it.

I think the music biz is known for monopolizing it's talent and not giving everyone the opportunity to make a living making music.

I think the Grammy awards is one place that often makes very CLEAR and FAIR statements on the condition of the music industry (the marriage of art and commerce). I think the statement they made at the last awards was that they were FOR the record companies who look for true talent and support that talent for as long as that talent wants them to.



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Hey Popmartijn...
no offense there, but you should keep adresses like the VR for yourself...
btw, what´s your nick there ;-) ?
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I'm not registered at Velvetrope, I just lurk there.

BTW, why should I keep the VR address to myself?

Just wondering...

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Because originally it was not meant to go public. And the less visitors, the more "reality is online".
But nevermind; information WANTS to be free.
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Because originally it was not meant to go public. And the less visitors, the more "reality is online".
But nevermind; information WANTS to be free.
Oh
OK

(but then again, why do they make it then so publically available... nevermind answering it, it's just a rhetorical question)

As I said,
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P.S. What's your nick there then? I promise I won't register and harrass you as I'm perfectly happy just lurking there

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