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Old 05-15-2006, 12:16 PM   #1
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US Troops at Mexican Border, Part of an Iraq Exit Strategy?

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Like many of us, I was curious was Bush would have to say in his presidential address about immigration.

I really wasn't expecting to hear about troops at the Mexican border.

It makes me wonder if it's being used as a means of diverting troops to the homeland and could eventually be a quasi-justifcation for removing troops from Iraq (ie they're needed at home). Just a curious move at this time in history.
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are u2 opening for bush tonight or somethin?
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are u2 opening for bush tonight or somethin?
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there are forums for how these things relate to U2.
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His speech is political posturing and nothing more.

And now he's probably pissed off 20 million housewives whose Oprah special got pre-empted.
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i'll be watching American Idol instead.
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damn. stupid jet lag.

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Re: US Troops at Mexican Border, Part of an Iraq Exit Strategy?

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It makes me wonder if it's being used as a means of diverting troops to the homeland and could eventually be a quasi-justifcation for removing troops from Iraq (ie they're needed at home). Just a curious move at this time in history.

If you lived here and understood the depths of anger and frustration many Americans have toward the federal government for refusing to secure our national borders, you would perhaps not find Bush's proposal such a "curious move at this time in history".

When would be a better time in history to try and secure the borders?

In fact, many people regard the 5000 troop proposal as too little, too late.

What you are somehow also forgetting is that the National Guard does not necessarily need to pull 5000 men out of Iraq to stand guard at the borders.

They can simply recruit more people. It is not a zero-sum organization.

A lot more people here say they would be more willing to join the National Guard to secure our borders than serve in Iraq, so it will be interesting to see the recruiting totals year-over-year if this proposal is passed and funded by Congress.

The US military has already made plans for mass troop withdrawals from Iraq, probably commencing early next year, pending the word from the White House, of course.

20,000 to 30,000 Americans will remain in-country, however, as logistical, intelligence and air support for the new Iraqi Army (assuming Iraq doesn't completely dissolve into a sectarian hellhole).

Even if Iraq shatters, though, US troops will probably remain, hunkered down in their foward operating bases (Anaconda, Cooke, Falcon, etc), until the smoke clears.

From what I have read and heard, whatever faction ends up running the Iraqi government will want the Americans there, probably for many years, mainly as a deterrent to the newly aggressive Iranian government (similar to Germany and Japan retaining foreign troops on their soil as a bulwark against Soviet expansionism).

Too bad they scheduled the speech during Oprah's primetime special... 20 million pissed off Oprah fans is a scary prospect.
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His speech is political posturing and nothing more.

And now he's probably pissed off 20 million housewives whose Oprah special got pre-empted.

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Re: US Troops at Mexican Border, Part of an Iraq Exit Strategy?

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Hey,

Like many of us, I was curious was Bush would have to say in his presidential address about immigration.

I really wasn't expecting to hear about troops at the Mexican border.

It makes me wonder if it's being used as a means of diverting troops to the homeland and could eventually be a quasi-justifcation for removing troops from Iraq (ie they're needed at home). Just a curious move at this time in history.
There are nearly 500,000 troops in the National Guard. 4,000 to 6,000 troops is a tiny fraction of the total. There are currently only 30,000 National Guard Troops in Iraq.

The deployment to the southern border has nothing to with Iraq.
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Re: Re: US Troops at Mexican Border, Part of an Iraq Exit Strategy?

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The deployment to the southern border has nothing to with Iraq.
Even some Republicans in Congress disagree with you. They're upset with the fact that members of the national guard who have alreay been sent to Iraq twice will now be asked to secure the southern border.
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Every one has a critique for the immigration issue.

Few have a proposal or solution.

The National Guard proposal meets the needs of the Border Patrol (who continually request additional agents), yet represents less than 3% of the total National Guard.
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so, like, what's going on with that whole NSA wiretapping thing?

i tried to follow it, but it was complicated and all, and i only have 6 seconds to try to understand an issue before i get bored, and THEN i heard about troops being sent to our borders and that got me all excited and nervous because now i feel like there's an enemy out there and we totally need to defend ourselves from them and like that's what troops are for and stuff and i was totally getting bored with another 30 dead Iraqis on the news every day so i'm happy to have a different issue upon which to focus my attention.
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it was originaly posted in the general tour area... thus my remark.

thanks for the explanation, though.
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Re: Re: Re: US Troops at Mexican Border, Part of an Iraq Exit Strategy?

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Even some Republicans in Congress disagree with you. They're upset with the fact that members of the national guard who have alreay been sent to Iraq twice will now be asked to secure the southern border.
Its very simple, there are 440,000 troops in the National Guard. The President has requested 6,000 troops to be sent to the southern border. Right now there are only 30,000 National Guard Troops in Iraq. Half of the National Guard has yet to even be deployed to Iraq a single time. The National Guard can be called up at any time and be deployed for an indefinite time period if the situation requires it. Unfortunately, it appears that there are Republicans and Democrats that don't understand these very basic facts.
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