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Old 08-11-2016, 11:25 AM   #106
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Hmm, no apologies necessary.
Then why be concerned if the devil cares?

No, but your party in general does.

Apprentice was an entertaining show for a brief moment. But that's all it was, entertainment. Unless you're a casting director, it's not resume material.


And don't misconstrue my responding to your comment as anything less than that. Don't fall into the victim game, no one has even attempted to question your right to comment.


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Sorry, was out of line with some of that, will try to be less combative. btw, I am a Democrat.
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The terrific people are saying the same.
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Old 08-11-2016, 11:39 AM   #108
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The terrific people are saying the same.
Is it true? I don't know, but it's worth looking into. The media should really look into it.
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Is it true? I don't know, but it's worth looking into. The media should really look into it.
Look, I'm not saying it's true or not. I am just hearing things. Smart people are coming up to me and asking me "Have you heard?", and I tell them it's worth looking into. I'm going to look into it. We'll look and see.
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So she would bring unemployment to its lowest level in the modern measurement age and below even the Fed's target rate? That's nearly as fanciful as trickle-down economics.
She's a modern day marvel, not only will she add 10.4 Million jobs in year 1, she will defy all laws of modern economics and have unemployment down to a staggering 0% by 2018.
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She's a modern day marvel, not only will she add 10.4 Million jobs in year 1, she will defy all laws of modern economics and have unemployment down to a staggering 0% by 2018.
Remember, we're talking about Clinton. The most evil, brilliant mastermind that's ever lived. She'll totally murder the unemployment rate if it doesn't lower itself.
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Not the past 8 years

Obama is still a neoliberal and tends to follow the consensus of the post Reagan years. We've had 35 years of trickle down economics and tax cuts for the rich and they have not worked for the middle class. Click image for larger version

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Remember, we're talking about Clinton. The most evil, brilliant mastermind that's ever lived. She'll totally murder the unemployment rate if it doesn't lower itself.
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Obama is still a neoliberal and tends to follow the consensus of the post Reagan years. We've had 35 years of trickle down economics and tax cuts for the rich and they have not worked for the middle class. Attachment 10832


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I think Trump will end trickle down economics because he is a builder. So new construction etc jobs. Plus he wants to lower taxes on the middle class and take out strangling regulations for small businesses (which employ the majority of Americans).
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I thought it was already established that ogregopa/bobsagetfan made himself a friend to discuss their love of bad disaster movies starring John Cusack.

2012 is a guilty pleasure in a genre I like.

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So she would bring unemployment to its lowest level in the modern measurement age and below even the Fed's target rate? That's nearly as fanciful as trickle-down economics.
The unemployment rate part is one that i don't think is achievable either. But the CBO has been pretty accurate with projections of deficit, debt and job growth. I do think low 4's could be achieved. Remember that Romney was boasting that he could get the unemployment rate down to 6%!! That was a campaign year "promise" which means an unlikely stretch. No one thought we would be at 4.9%

What is clear though is that one plan would almost certainly gain a large amount of jobs, while another would most likely cost jobs.

Trumps economic plan is based on economic growth of 6.2%!!! which is the most ridiculous load of BS. The actual analysts project growth under his plan would run somewhere around 2.4%
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But he's a builder!



His plans to fuck with the trade with China would lay waste to California's economy, what with all the ports and shipping we have here. So tanking the sixth largest economy in the world isn't all that helpful. It would take a lot of building and construction jobs to make up for that.


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Trumps economic plan is based on economic growth of 6.2%!!! which is the most ridiculous load of BS.
That is a ludicrous expectation.

The thing about job creation is that outside the public sector, it is far from an exact science. In the early stages of the recession, if I remember correctly, the Gov and Fed had all the incentives in place for job creation and investment, yet it was sluggish for much longer than anticipated. It is funny that the economy is such a major factor in presidential elections, because it's probably one of things the president has the least direct control over.
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You can't study the economy, you have to just feel it. What feels right for you? Then that's how you should manage it. Statistics/numbers just get in the way.

This is obviously a joke, and I have no intention of defending Trump. However, studies claiming to have a clue what the unemployment rate will be or how many jobs will be created or even what the deficit will be in four years under various policies are full of shit.

I do believe, and I think most people who know what they're talking about, can conclude that Clinton's economy would be better than Trump's at the very least because he could pursue disastrous trade policies and possibly cause foreign fallings-out that could have awful consequences.

What policies the president supports, even assuming a cooperative Congress, have a relatively minor impact on the economy compared to broader economic forces. Big economic shocks rarely are predictable or fixable with policy; those who predict them tend to have "Economists Have Predicted 7 Out Of the Last 3 Recessions" Syndrome and don't really provide useful predictions because of it. The truth is that we really haven't a clue what the economy will look like in 2020. We can assume that broadly the same forces will affect it that are affecting it now, and that policy will be the central driver, but that's silly. Doing that in 2005, we'd assume that housing would rise forever, oil would rise forever, and the dollar would stay really weak. Doing that in 2010, we'd assume a pretty quick and even recovery from the recession. Doing that in 2013, we'd fail to see oil cratering and BRICS would still be a relevant buzzword. Et cetera.

And even policies that do have some real amount of impact on the economy are unpredictable in their effects. A good example is the minimum wage; the empirical research on it is an inconclusive mess. And Macro models can produce really specific outputs while being based on who-the-hell-really-knows-if-they're-true assumptions.

Signed, someone who once wanted to be an Economics Ph.D. student at this point in my life but then got really cynical about the field.


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But he's a builder!



His plans to fuck with the trade with China would lay waste to California's economy, what with all the ports and shipping we have here. So tanking the sixth largest economy in the world isn't all that helpful. It would take a lot of building and construction jobs to make up for that.


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China is cheating and stealing business secrets from the US and this has to stop! Plus they are rigging their monetary value to reap profits at our expense. Really, it is all just helping Walmart, and Hilary sat on it's board, look it up. There are plenty of countries we can trade with, our economy will readjust and the US will reassert it's rights to free and fair trade!
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