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Old 08-18-2016, 01:37 PM   #421
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I was wondering if someone would comment on this (Stein's proposal to remove all US military bases-some 200 actually). Yes, it seems an imposition or an "imperial" kind of situation, but it has developed in the modern era as a result of international threats, such as communism, and the need to bolster our allies with military assistance. Like it or not, the US is the leader of the free world, and we need those bases just in case some attack would ever come. Look at Russia, advancing in Ukraine and the Crimea, for instance, or China building islands in the South China sea...
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I was wondering if someone would comment on this (Stein's proposal to remove all US military bases-some 200 actually). Yes, it seems an imposition or an "imperial" kind of situation, but it has developed in the modern era as a result of international threats, such as communism, and the need to bolster our allies with military assistance. Like it or not, the US is the leader of the free world, and we need those bases just in case some attack would ever come. Look at Russia, advancing in Ukraine and the Crimea, for instance, or China building islands in the South China sea...
I just find it curious, since Trump claims he'll do the same thing.

Were you not aware?
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No I had not heard that. He has been talking of bolstering our military, building it back up from a weaker position under Obama...I would assume that includes overseas. evidence??
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What's everybody's shock that Bernie could afford those homes? He doesn't live a lavish lifestyle and has made a considerable annual income for decades as a member of Congress. He's made millions in congressional salary, so what do you really expect?

Also, his campaign used items such as his book to give out to people that donated, etc. If he were to make a couple bucks in royalties off each one of those, that's a substantial amount of money to be made and it's nothing illegal either (Trump, himself, made it so he would be owning the company selling the hats to his campaign, I'm sure the Obama campaign used his books as donation tools, etc.)

But, no, let's just start harping on something we know nothing about regarding Sander's finances simply because we're still jealous that the heart, soul & youth of the party had the gall to nearly stop us from getting to tell our kids we voted for a female President right after the black guy.

Clinton has made more doing an average handful of corporate speeches than Bernie will ever see in a life time. Deal with it.




And I just did the math for all of you. From his 1991 term through 2014, Bernie made $3,651,000 and that doesn't count other business interests, potential investments, book earnings, etc. But, "OMG HE'S BUYING A $600,000 HOME!"
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Fair point about the tone-deafness of Trump holding a rally in Milwaukee. however, West Bend is a LOL-worthy choice to speak about Milwaukee. It's over an hour away so might as well be Madison or Green Bay.

Plenty of other cities closer to Actual Milwaukee he could have chosen if he wanted to actually talk to the population he was supposedly addressing.

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But, no, let's just start harping on something we know nothing about regarding Sander's finances simply because we're still jealous that the heart, soul & youth of the party had the gall to nearly stop us from getting to tell our kids we voted for a female President right after the black guy.
fucking troll behavior.
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Yes, expressing an opinion about others having had their heart set on Clinton for eight years now must be trolling. Or was #ItsHerTurn not a thing?

Her grand coalition of racists that couldn't stand voting for Obama in the 2008 primaries, corporatists who are only on the left for the social issues because they hate paying taxes on their substantial incomes (some of which love to post in this thread), low information voters who admitted not knowing who Sanders was by the time they cast their ballots, and blacks who vote as an embarrassing monolith for whatever Democratic candidate they perceive to be the blackest (congratulations on already being halfway to the 2024 nomination, Mr. Booker!).

But it's alright, in about ten years the millennials will make up a plurality of the party's voters. A high school educated Clinton voter dies and a seventeen year old, eventual college graduate Sanders supporter registers to vote. I like that. #MakingThePartyHaveASoulAgain
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And I just did the math for all of you. From his 1991 term through 2014, Bernie made $3,651,000 and that doesn't count other business interests, potential investments, book earnings, etc. But, "OMG HE'S BUYING A $600,000 HOME!"
I think the shock comes from his initial net worth release, which claimed his whole net worth was $500,000. So that shows us he's either really horrible with money, or he's not being honest.
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Or you somehow think he would have kept every penny all of these years...that number above obviously doesn't mean he'd have 3.6 million dollars in 2014, christ. There's a thing called expenses that you have to pay as you live your life.

Might as well frame your illogical post above mine as an example of that jealousy I was just talking about.
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Or you somehow think he would have kept every penny all of these years...that number above obviously doesn't mean he'd have 3.6 million dollars in 2014, christ. There's a thing called expenses that you have to pay as you live your life.

Might as well frame your illogical post above mine as an example of that jealousy I was just talking about.
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Do you understand how one's net worth is calculated?
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No I had not heard that. He has been talking of bolstering our military, building it back up from a weaker position under Obama...I would assume that includes overseas. evidence??
This is a pretty well known stance, I'm surprised you're not aware.

Donald Trump Doesn’t Understand the Value of U.S. Bases Overseas | Foreign Policy

U.S. Foreign Military Support

The Many Ways Trump Has Turned the U.S. Foreign-Policy Consensus Upside Down - The Atlantic

Former NATO chief: Donald Trump is a global risk – POLITICO
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Do you understand how one's net worth is calculated?
Absolutely. And when you pay for rent, groceries, electric bills, yada yada that's all money that disappears. What is so hard to understand here? Your net worth isn't the cumulative earnings you've made over decades. It's your cash on hand and assets that can range from stock holdings to property.

Also of note, Sanders was also substantially in debt in the early nineties and had to leverage his house because he had campaign debts to pay off.

Whereas Hillary Clinton needlessly ran up millions in campaign debt for her ongoing fruitless 2008 effort which the DNC ended up paying for entirely. Because, you know, the queen.
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Absolutely. And when you pay for rent, groceries, electric bills, yada yada that's all money that disappears. What is so hard to understand here? Your net worth isn't the cumulative earnings you've made over decades. It's your cash on hand and assets that can range from stock holdings to property.
I'm just saying if I had made over 3 million in that time period, invested, book earnings, and owned 2 homes; my net worth would be a lot more than 500,000. Hell 2 homes alone would put you there. I make much less than he does and I'm close to that number and he has a few decades on me.
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That too. And the congressional salary is all income so Sanders would never even see a substantial portion of that due to taxes. Probably about 30-40% of that money is gone right out of the gate.
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