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Old 04-17-2015, 10:48 AM   #91
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So in Rubio's presidential candidacy announcement, he took a jab at Clinton representing the candidate of yesterday. Meanwhile, Rubio:

-Is against gay marriage
-Is against normalizing relations with Cuba
-Doesn't believe in climate change

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Rubio sucks but to deep's point I also see him angling for the governorship of Florida and not the White House.

I think Scott Walker is the scariest of them all. A lot of what he says really resonates with people. There are many states out there which are truly not in a position to continue to offer DB pension plans to public servants, etc - even if you believe in them as a matter of policy, the money just isn't there. And he's always run on a very corporatist idea - reduce unions, rely entirely on the free market to correct all ills, etc. This is where the money is.
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:03 PM   #93
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Yes, I never said Rubio would be a bad pick

I just said he won't be the VP nom, > because he won't take it.

At this time I believe this will be a two person race, Jeb Bush and then for the not Bush crowd, Scott Walker.

A bit like the Dems in 2008, Hillary Clinton vs the not Clinton crowd -falling behind Obama.

I do think Jeb has the slight advantage, but Scott Walker could get the nomination.

Of course it is still early, and a lot of things could change.


Also, I really don't see Rubio being much of a plus with the Hispanic vote, except that small segment of Cubans that gets lumped into that group. Jeb is a way better candidate for them than Rubio.

Cubans are conservatives, Hispanics are liberals. There are two countries that if you are born there and you are on American soil you will be entitled to full rights of American citizenship. One is the United States, the other is Cuba.



I can understand why some of you are not writing Rubio off, in these days of social media dominating so much

he looks like the winner

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Not every VP is Joe Biden ya know, just look at Cheney.
Just wondering if you remember or know how Cheney got the nomination?
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Sarah Palin is a lunatic.

Perfect example of someone looking good on paper.

I don't even know how she looked good on paper. She was, what? A 44 year old whose history amounted to... three years experience as governor of part of essentially Canada. Before that? Mayor of Wasilla. Previous to that, her educational background is a mess.

Now, Rubio is, of course, the same age. But you're talking about someone with much more credible experience at various levels of government.
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It was a really reactionary move to Obama not picking Hillary as his running mate.


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it seems like everybody is assuming that the nominee can appoint the VP.

I would not be surprised if Hillary turned it down as many turned down McCain.

Hillary fared much better as Secretary of State, than she would have as VP.
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I don't even know how she looked good on paper. She was, what? A 44 year old whose history amounted to... three years experience as governor of part of essentially Canada. Before that? Mayor of Wasilla. Previous to that, her educational background is a mess.


but she was a woman who liked guns and had a personal story that would appeal to the anti-choice base.

McCain has always had problems with the base of the GOP, and they love guns and hate abortion. check and check.
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Hillary fared much better as Secretary of State, than she would have as VP.

yes, a better resume builder and doesn't tie her to a legacy if it goes wrong, and it removes Bill from interfering.
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Palin is not why McCain loss in 2008

Bush - Cheney 8 years worst Presidency ever is why he lost.

Palin got McCain more votes being on the ticket for sure.

Both McCain and Palin were seen as anti - Bush, mavericks. And Palin definitely pulled some bitter Hillary supporters that wanted to vote for a woman against Obama's machine that manipulated the primary process to barely edge out the nomination.
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all of 'em, Katie.
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yes, a better resume builder and doesn't tie her to a legacy if it goes wrong, and it removes Bill from interfering.

and if Obama had high popularity ratings being his S o S is a win, too.
Stepping down when she did was smart. Something we should look for in a president.
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that nominating process the Obama's team deployed is quite telling

I will say I kind of admire it. To be so driven to get the win. He has used similar tactics to advance some of his policies. And I will say I do think most of the policies are for the greater good. I do believe over time his low ratings will rise and he should be on the list of the better presidents. As long as I am around I will be making those arguments and not regretting voting for him both times.
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I do believe over time his low ratings will rise and he should be on the list of the better presidents. As long as I am around I will be making those arguments and not regretting voting for him both times.


his ratings aren't really that low, especially in a country that's 45% vs 45%.
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Yes, I never said Rubio would be a bad pick

I just said he won't be the VP nom, > because he won't take it.

At this time I believe this will be a two person race, Jeb Bush and then for the not Bush crowd, Scott Walker.

A bit like the Dems in 2008, Hillary Clinton vs the not Clinton crowd -falling behind Obama.

I do think Jeb has the slight advantage, but Scott Walker could get the nomination.

Of course it is still early, and a lot of things could change.


Also, I really don't see Rubio being much of a plus with the Hispanic vote, except that small segment of Cubans that gets lumped into that group. Jeb is a way better candidate for them than Rubio.

Cubans are conservatives, Hispanics are liberals. There are two countries that if you are born there and you are on American soil you will be entitled to full rights of American citizenship. One is the United States, the other is Cuba.



I can understand why some of you are not writing Rubio off, in these days of social media dominating so much

he looks like the winner

In Rubio's defense he does have a Hispanic background unlike Bush. That will appeal to some Hispanics regardless of the politics involved. Rubio can pull in Hispanics that Bush or Romney could not.
Another factor going for Rubio is his youth when contrasted with Hillary Clinton. Hillary would be the second oldest President the U.S. has ever had while Rubio would be one of the youngest.
Rubio has appeal with Hispanics and young voters that republicans struggle to get. Hillary is old and white which will work against her with some of the young and racially diverse democratic voters.
While Bush certainly has good points, Rubio provides a better contrast with Hillary.

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Palin is not why McCain loss in 2008

Bush - Cheney 8 years worst Presidency ever is why he lost.

Palin got McCain more votes being on the ticket for sure.
Tom Ridge would have been a better VP than Palin for McCain. I'd say much of McCain's lost could be the simple fact that its hard for a party that has held the White House for two consecutive terms to win a third consecutive term. Its only happened once since World War II.
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