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US Presidential Election 2016...because it's never too early
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twochordcool
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First of all, most right wing alternative media is nonsense and propaganda. But it's a false equivalence to say that most left wing media is as well. And there are stories the mainstream media avoids. How honest do you think the mainstream media is as the beneficiary of a corrupt electoral / political system that allows billions of dollars to be spent during an election? All of that money ends up in their hands - they are not going to upset the apple cart.
A mainstream media that treats elections as sport and always try to keep it a horse race?
MOST of what the left wing media does is call out the bull shit that the right wing in this country gets away with - because they are absolutely insane yet the mainstream media treats Republicans as though they are a legitimate and reasonable political party.
Do you think it's right that corporations / business / banks write legislation for reps and senators to vote on?
I'm too tired to get into this now - but it's absurd to compare the right to the left.
If you think centrists / moderates are going to fairly fix over 30 years of right wing damage then I'm not the one that is into conspiracies and delusional nonsense, you are.
Everything has been pulled so far to the right that it would require a lot to get us back to the true middle - a pull from the "far left" not a pull from the middle.
I'll use one example:
They have been STEALING from Social Security for 30+ years because they gave HUGE tax breaks to rich people and corporations and needed more money, but both Republicans AND so called moderates would love to bury that fact and tell you that Social Security is bankrupt and needs to be reduced. That's crap.
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twochordcool
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Yeah, all of the people that refuse to vote for the right guy out of fear he can't win but will hop on the bandwagon once it seems safe to - after all of the heavy lifting is done.
These people are needed now.
And if you don't fine; just understand that with Hillary you are getting a Republican like Nixon at a time when we really could use a guy like FDR to get us on the right course again.
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Every single thing you state here(word for word) is echoed very loudly about the country's left by the right. Legitimacy is not brought on by echo chambers. In fact they end up creating groups of people who have their heads buried in the sand.
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BVS
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You know what people say about assumptions right?
It's telling when someone has to start attacking just for asking tough questions.
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Mrs. Garrison
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twochordcool
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Anyone that believes that media from the perspective of the left is no better than media from the perspective of the right is delusional and / or is not too informed.
As I said, the right makes up crazy shit and pushes for terrible legislation and the left is there to point out their bull shit - because the mainstream media has their own incentives and won't call them out on it.
Just because kooks on the right have delusions about people on the left it does not make them right or the left wrong.
Getting back to my original point, this country has REAL problems which aren't going to be fixed by the right or the so called middle. Mark my words. Most of our massive problems will cost money, and the right and the middle won't demand it of the "haves". That leaves it to the liberals in this country to demand it, as it has ALWAYS been.
Now carry on with whatever nonsense point you want to make about Bernie being unelectable or how the left and it's media is as bad as the right and it's media.
I tell you what - go listen to Mark Levin for a month and then go listen to Thom Hartmann for a month and then come back here and tell me how the left is as bad as the right.
As I said, the right makes up crazy shit and pushes for terrible legislation and the left is there to point out their bull shit - because the mainstream media has their own incentives and won't call them out on it.
Just because kooks on the right have delusions about people on the left it does not make them right or the left wrong.
Getting back to my original point, this country has REAL problems which aren't going to be fixed by the right or the so called middle. Mark my words. Most of our massive problems will cost money, and the right and the middle won't demand it of the "haves". That leaves it to the liberals in this country to demand it, as it has ALWAYS been.
Now carry on with whatever nonsense point you want to make about Bernie being unelectable or how the left and it's media is as bad as the right and it's media.
I tell you what - go listen to Mark Levin for a month and then go listen to Thom Hartmann for a month and then come back here and tell me how the left is as bad as the right.
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BVS
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So because I don't want media to have a right or left perspective(or in other words; agenda) that makes me delusional or uninformed? That makes no sense.
Do you really want a left version of Glenn Beck or Fox News? Think about that. This type of agenda driven media creates a certain type of audience; one that stops fact checking and believes what they're fed. We need to put an end to this type of media, not add more. I don't care if it's left, right, religious, etc. it's dangerous.
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bobsaget77
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The news/media was better whenever it was 30 minutes a day at 6 o clock.
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twochordcool
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MY POINT is that journalism / media on the left is where you can get truthful, reality-based information that you will not get from the mainstream media or especially, the kooky right wing media.
Is Thom Hartmann, Amy Goodman or Matt Taibbi the left's equivalent of Glenn Beck? That's ridiculous.
The 3 I mentioned are much closer to Edward R Murrow or Walter Cronkite than Glen Beck is.
You are not going to get truthful hard hitting journalism from the so called mainstream media ("the middle") because the middle has been corrupted. They are not going to address issues that will either directly or indirectly have an adverse effect on their bottom line.
What you are saying reminds me of the people pointing out that Bernie Sanders is a socialist while ignoring the fact that on most issues the American people agree with Bernie.
The so called middle is not the middle any more because of how successful the right has been at pulling us to the right. We are in dire need of a goal post / 50 yard line correction.
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martha
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It seems that way.
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My God, this is revolutionary! I hadn't thought of it this way! A few sentences, written in generalizations, rather than specific, factual examples, and I'm convinced!
Irvine511
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying. A lot.
But. Don't think that left wing media doesn't operate in the same way that right wing media does -- giving its audience what it wants to hear. I agree, wholeheartedly, that there's a difference of degree between left and right media, and I think the right is organized in a way the left isn't.
But, and I think your posts give us an example of this, if you only get your media from one place, and if you actively distrust MSM sources (which, for all their faults, still do a pretty good job) you tend to get very flat, black-and-white, unnuanced opinions and viewpoints. It's unhealthy to automatically disqualify, say, PBS or the NYT or CNN simply because it's mainstream. I agree that these institutions need to be checked and held accountable and they have limitations and qualifications, but dismissing them wholesale is silly, and something right wing media has been hard at work at since the early 1990s. What they want is to get their consumers to a point where an entirely new reality can be created, and actual facts can be dismissed, if these facts don't fit in to the narrative. It's cultish.
twochordcool
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Seems like you are reading into what I am saying and making assumptions about me that are way off the mark.
On the contrary, by me getting my news and information from multiple sources as well as left leaning media I do see the gray areas.
Black and white says that Social Security is going bankrupt and leaves out the gory details, specifics, the nuances. It doesn't tell you that a fortune into the stratosphere is owed to it and that the rightful debtors should be extremely rich people. It doesn't tell you how it got to it's problems and give all of the ways that it can and should be fixed.
And that is just one issue.
Lobbying, legalized bribery and our corrupt elections are probably our biggest problems. Everything else is tied to that. People that benefit from that are not going to try to do anything about that - that includes most politicians and much of the media.
You can sit there and type how I have a warped, distorted, simple and biased view of things but I am confident in knowing that none of our big problems will be properly addressed by the middle or the right. That is validation.
On the contrary, by me getting my news and information from multiple sources as well as left leaning media I do see the gray areas.
Black and white says that Social Security is going bankrupt and leaves out the gory details, specifics, the nuances. It doesn't tell you that a fortune into the stratosphere is owed to it and that the rightful debtors should be extremely rich people. It doesn't tell you how it got to it's problems and give all of the ways that it can and should be fixed.
And that is just one issue.
Lobbying, legalized bribery and our corrupt elections are probably our biggest problems. Everything else is tied to that. People that benefit from that are not going to try to do anything about that - that includes most politicians and much of the media.
You can sit there and type how I have a warped, distorted, simple and biased view of things but I am confident in knowing that none of our big problems will be properly addressed by the middle or the right. That is validation.
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twochordcool
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You're sarcastic and probably not too sharp.
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BoMac
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Whoa. Nobody talks to martha like that. She's smarter (and cooler) than all of us. Tone it down, buddy.
Drop the insults.
BVS
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Mr. Pot have you met Mr. Kettle?
In the last page you've insulted two of the more intelligent and informed posters in this forum. Two individuals that you could learn a lot from, in both knowledge and decorum. You may want to consider slowing down.
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Mrs. Garrison
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I promised that as well - in fact i delivered - and it didn't really get me to the promised land
What's Trump got that i don't?
PhilsFan
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Clearly twochords is a whole hell of a lot smarter than we all are. Martha should knock off the sarcasm and pay attention to the brains of the operation here.
twochordcool
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Don't care. She was not polite to me. And half the reason you are siding with her is that she has a history here that I don't have. Don't care about popularity contests either.
It's also a tactic to change subjects and concentrate on being butthurt when the debate is not going so well - I see it with wingnuts all the time.
It's also a tactic to change subjects and concentrate on being butthurt when the debate is not going so well - I see it with wingnuts all the time.
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BVS
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No. Once again you are reading the situation incorrectly. There is no "siding", you personally insulted someone.
How many times have you changed the subject and/ or avoided direct questions?
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Mrs. Garrison
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I have a question for you. Bernie will be 74 years of age in just over a month. The job he is running for is probably one of the most stressful jobs there is. Does his age bother you at all? Obviously we don't know his medical history, or that of his family, but he certainly looks his age. Every one of his predecessors looks quite different after having served one or two terms in office. Like them or not, you have to kind of respect the toll it takes on a human being.
twochordcool
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No Bernie's age doesn't bother me. Have you heard him speak recently? He has the energy of a person much younger. If he could even get elected for one term, just to get Americans to view things differently, that might be enough to get us to pivot, to change course and go in a better direction. He is not only running for president, he is clearly explaining to the American people that that won't be enough, that they need to elect a Congress that views our problems and their solutions in a similar manner and will work with him.
Mrs. Garrison
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I'm sure he is a great guy and all, but i'd rather not send him to an early grave just to satisfy a movement, who will likely be disappointed anyway. Most people say things to get elected, once in office, they see the deep secrets of how things really work, and they don't get to do all of the wonderful stuff they promised.
Obama has come the closest in my lifetime, and yet there are many here who will tell you he fell way short in several areas.
Obama has come the closest in my lifetime, and yet there are many here who will tell you he fell way short in several areas.
twochordcool
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Ronald Reagan was crazy to begin with but he was definitely suffering from dementia in his second term. I don't see Bernie Sanders starting out as bad as he was or finishing the way he did. Bernie Sanders deserves to be heard, deserves to be taken seriously, and I believe a 4 year term would really help this country find it's soul again. We are rudderless, and Republicans are big gaping torpedo holes.
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twochordcool
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But Obama is no Sanders. I thought his rhetoric was quite liberal when he ran for office, but I know progressives who insist that if you listened closely Obama was never a progressive, never had any intentions of being very progressive.
Bernie is RUNNING to be president. He WANTS to be president. OF COURSE Bernie won't be able to do half of what he wants, but I'd rather elect someone that has grand intentions than someone that is pretending to be something she is not just to wear the crown and sit on the throne.
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