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Old 05-22-2015, 05:06 PM   #421
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Hell yeah! Fuck big government! Guns! Rights for everybody! Let's do whatever we want! Guns!

Unless someone does something that I don't agree with. That weird homo baby killing shit should be outlawed.
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Old 05-22-2015, 05:23 PM   #422
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US Presidential Election 2016...because it's never too early

Yeah. I find abortion incredibly detestable and disgusting. I would never support murder in any case.
And people who make fun of it are scum of the earth.

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Yeah. I find abortion incredibly detestable and disgusting. I would never support murder in any case.
And people who make fun of it are scum of the earth.

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What? All I'm saying is that you can't adopt a title if you're going all a la carte on it. All you've done is say that you're a republican. Republicans generally have libertarian ideology on government. They do. Simple as that. And they have restrictive social beliefs. Simple as that. If you describe yourself as libertarian, you're making a claim to say that you're belong to a certain school of thought. You don't belong to that though. Libertarianism is not an economic philosophy in the way that socialism or capitalism is. You can't be "economically libertarian." There's plenty of other titles for that.
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Libertarianism is not an economic philosophy in the way that socialism or capitalism is. You can't be "economically libertarian."
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This coming from someone who thinks linking a webpage is considered a citation. PS your citation didn't prove anything.

This isn't academic research, I don't have to cite definitions that you're perfectly capable of googling yourself (and even potentially combating the claim).
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economically libertarian = fiscal conservative (you're conservative in money matters)

Libertarians and most Republicans are both fiscally conservative.

But just because you are fiscally conservative doesn't automatically make you a Republican.
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You might as well say the same thing about the Tea Party. They hate the Govt, keep talking about "liberty" and quoting Thomas Jefferson "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I suspect if Thomas Jefferson were alive today, he would spit on them. I could be wrong. I just don't see why these people are so fed up with their country they want to incite violence and continually work against the Govt that is trying to help them.

If the Govt wants to help you, thats tyranny? WTF? Liberty is, to these people, bloodshed and hate. Whatever McVeigh.


I don't want the government helping me. I want the government to stay true to the U.S. Constitution and stop being a tyrant.
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economically libertarian = fiscal conservative (you're conservative in money matters)

Libertarians and most Republicans are both fiscally conservative.

But just because you are fiscally conservative doesn't automatically make you a Republican.

Again, libertarianism is a school of thought. Libertarians are laissez-faire capitalists. So are republicans. Republicans are one thing. Libertarians are another thing. If you're a laissez-faire capitalist who has socially conservative beliefs, you're a republican. If you're a laissez-faire capitalist with socially liberal beliefs, you're a libertarian.

Fun fact though: libertarianism isn't even based upon economics. That's an american adoption of the initial school of thought. It's a stolen title. Libertarianism is an ideology. It does not actually encompass economics. It's about freedom and is an anarchistic spectrum of beliefs. It's about do-what-you-want politics, with very limited state involvement.

The idea of "fiscal conservatism" is a load of crap. Unless you are describing the conservative nature as constitutionalism or anti-federalism, you're not conserving or upholding something that's absolute. It's subjective in nature, because economics and society are two relatively independent things. Republicans have no reason to be what we would call "socially conservative" other than the text that both parties pander and gain a flock of sheep reaction.

The only way you can be 50% libertarian is if you believe that all libertarian ideas should be implemented to some extent. Ron Paul achieves this. A perfect example is his opinion on gay marriage. The man doesn't like gay people. As a libertarianism he offers two answers to gay marriage: 1) leave it to the states to decide and 2) the federal government has no right to define marriage for anyone. Those are libertarian beliefs, and are necessary in order to have any form of title as a "libertarian." It's about not being told what you can and can't do.

Again, laissez-faire capitalist does not earn you the title to be called 50% libertarian. At that point, you're 50% of a lot of things.
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I don't want the government helping me. I want the government to stay true to the U.S. Constitution and stop being a tyrant.
Yet you claim to be a farmer and a teacher... Which of those careers did you succeed without the government?
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the iron horse being a teacher is an image that frightens me.
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Frankly, this whole thread frightens me.
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Old 05-23-2015, 02:13 PM   #434
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I don't want the government helping me. I want the government to stay true to the U.S. Constitution and stop being a tyrant.
Isn't it kind of funny how when the right is in power and the Govt goes to war abroad and rolls out the Patriot Act, well, that's all in the name of "freedom" and "protecting liberty".

Yet when the left is in power, suddenly the govt is a tyrant, & btw lets talk about the founding fathers and the constitution as our basis for everything.
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I find anyone who claims that they are a libertarian but "tend to side with the republicans on social issues" to be a huuuuge hypocrite. Libertarianism is founded on liberty. Freedom. If anything, the reverse is acceptable. Believing in social libertarianism while accepting certain forms of non-invasive institution is fair. If you describe yourself as a libertarian and social republican, you're just a republican. This would be like calling Rand Paul libertarian. He only gets such a name because of his father. He's a republican, and not the good type.

Omg this x1000000000. As someone with significant libertarian leanings, it drives me insane to see people like Rand Paul supposedly representing libertarianism. Social conservativism is incompatible with libertarianism.


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