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Old 05-21-2015, 09:00 PM   #391
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I guess we need to know the context of what the witness before the committee said. Could have been equally asinine.
Who gives a flying fuck what the witness said? Under what conceivable context could that statement make any rational sense?

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yes it's not free, but once the Government becomes overly involved they will have doctors working for slave wages. In America we reward the industry with generous compensation for advancements and greater skill/ expertise.
In countries with socialized medicine doctors live no better than many of their patients.
I live in a country with universal healthcare. This is patently false. Don't just make shit up, I know you're better than that, deep.
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Um, one person does not equal most.

And to give you context that poster is not in the U.S., what some of you consider "far-left" is very center compared to other parts of the world.


*edited to say one other poster has come out and said Sanders isn't liberal but after you had made this comment.

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In some parts, yeah, but the position of the political mainstream differs country by country, I do think it's simplistic to say that the US mainstream is further to the right of any country in the world (and just to clarify it's definitely not what I meant).

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Do you not know that Vlad is not an American, Bob? I don't think you know that.


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Outside is America.

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The internet is in America, Vlad. Get the fuck out of here.
This is an example of US cyberweb imperialism, claiming everything with .com domains.



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How is it a cop out?

If anything it's a justification for his broader view that liberals in the States are pretty centrist globally.
And that the term 'liberal' takes on a vastly different meaning in places such as Europe, and hell, even Australia where to be labelled a 'liberal' is to suggest that one supports the ruling conservative party.

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Vlad can have an opinion. I love UK politics. And he's probably correct in his initial point that Sanders is probably conservative compared to Socialist parties in Euro parliaments.


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I actually tend to disagree with this, Sanders seems to be more or less on the same level as the nominally social democratic parties in Europe. I would say Sanders is more progressive than the leadership bases of UK Labour (New Labour aren't a particularly leftwing force in my opinion), and that in a UK context I think he'd find himself right at home with the Greens or the SNP.
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Right, Then whats the motivation for a student to want to go through all the schooling and debt.

To help people?
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To help people?
Then we're going to have a doctor shortage, because some people won't go through with it.
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Then we're going to have a doctor shortage, because some people won't go through with it.
[citation needed]
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Then we're going to have a doctor shortage, because some people won't go through with it.

I want the doctor who's motivated by her Porsche operating on me!

Money is definitely a motivator. But to think salaries will get so low that it won't motivate medicine is ludicrous.

I graduated with a degree 18 years ago that requires more testing than a lawyer to get licensed, as much liability as a doctor, and I was making the same as a school teacher upon graduation. A profession where you don't get beyond "slave wages" until your name is on the firm. This profession has always been this way and it will never die.


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Then we're going to have a doctor shortage, because some people won't go through with it.
Like the upcoming teacher shortage?

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and I was making the same as a school teacher upon graduation.
A telling comparison.
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I want the doctor who's motivated by her Porsche operating on me!

Money is definitely a motivator. But to think salaries will get so low that it won't motivate medicine is ludicrous.

I graduated with a degree 18 years ago that requires more testing than a lawyer to get licensed, as much liability as a doctor, and I was making the same as a school teacher upon graduation. A profession where you don't get beyond "slave wages" until your name is on the firm. This profession has always been this way and it will never die.


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What's your profession BVS (if you don't mind me asking)? Based on what you've written it sounds an awful lot like architecture.
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My original statement

Then we're going to have a doctor shortage, because some people won't go through with it.

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[citation needed]
Didn't know I needed a citation for human nature. But if you're grading my paper of a simple statement here you go.


Here is government provided healthcare (VA) struggling to fill positions because of wage restrictions. (mandated lower wages than private sector)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/30/us...aits.html?_r=0

Doctor shortage could take turn for the worse

Is Medical School Worth it Financially?

A Physician Shortage – What About Universal Health Care? on Birmingham Medical News
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Like the upcoming teacher shortage?
Teachers don't have to go to school for at least seven years and graduate with loads of debt.
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Teachers don't have to go to school for at least seven years and graduate with loads of debt.
Bwhahahahaha. Nope, only five years in states that don't require a Master's, but some states require a Master's, so there's your seven years.

Anyone who goes to college nowadays graduates with debt. Where have you been?
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Bwhahahahaha. Nope, only five years in states that don't require a Master's, but some states require a Master's, so there's your seven years.

Anyone who goes to college nowadays graduates with debt. Where have you been?
If teachers want to do it for the love of the profession than they can go into the 'Teach for America' program that serves under-resourced urban and rural districts. All you need is a simple bachelors degree and a 2 year commitment to stay in the role.

I had a friend I worked with who got fired for getting a DUI. Went home to Baltimore and taught 7-year olds and loved it.

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https://www.teachforamerica.org/
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Is that from a show or movie with a similar premise?
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It's from The Wire. Same location, but replace DUI with murder and it's the same thing.
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