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Old 05-21-2015, 04:37 PM   #376
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Now this is something that ticks me off about Republicans, Cruz, Rubio, Paul included. The big business wing of the party is behind this too. IT workers at Disney, Con-Edison, Silicon Valley are being laid off and forced to train their replacements coming mainly from an outsourcing company in India called Tata.

Basically, American workers are being let go to bring in cheaper replacements in the tech field at these big companies. Crony Capitalism gone wrong. I'm not sure if lawmakers on both sides of the aisle saw this as the end result. But it could bite them in the ass now. Makes me think less of Rubio, since he lobbied for it and now Floridians are out of work.
As I understood the law, the H1-B Visa could be used only when there is a low applicant pool stateside.

I remember back in college IT was heralded as the next big industry. And my school even built a whole building as part of a new IST college.

Now I think this is part of the immigration debate that will occur in the GOP primary and beyond.

PS: Working in a company I've always found the IT guys to be the biggest dicks. One even blocked Interference.com for a month, but its back in time for the tour. Maybe its Karma


Fury rises at Disney over use of foreign workers | Computerworld

How H-1B Visas Are Screwing Tech Workers | Mother Jones

Here's where Clinton and Rubio stand on the H-1B visa issue | Computerworld
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Apparently Canada did not, in fact, abolish slavery.

Holy sweet shit how can people say such stupid, tone deaf, ridiculously hyperbolic (the word "hyperbolic" doesn't even feel emphatic enough, in this case) with a straight face?

A right to health care means every health worker is a slave? No doctors, nurses, paramedics, or hospital janitors ever get any time off? I don't even understand how you could connect these thoughts together and think "yeah, that's a great way to say it".

How much longer will people (originally I said "Americans", but this is not a strictly American problem) allow their elected officials - on all sides of the political spectrum - to speak to them in such insulting, demeaning, unintelligent and patronizing ways? Holy fuck, this guy essentially just said "I think you're all god damned idiots incapable of thinking about anything at all" to the entire nation. Right to healthcare = slavery, come the fuck on. No adult can honestly say something like that outside of an absurd comedy sketch. What a crock of baloney. Not surprising so much loose dry shit can spew from a giant gaping asshole.
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So, gun manufacturers and sellers are slaves?

This is where inbreeding gets you, a family like the Paul(s). Educated, yet so ignorant as to how apply logic to their education.


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Guns aren't free.

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But a right to healthcare will turn into a right to free healthcare. The right to bear arms will turn into a right to free guns. Plus once you get your first, it's much easier to get the second and third for free.


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How much longer will people (originally I said "Americans", but this is not a strictly American problem) allow their elected officials - on all sides of the political spectrum - to speak to them in such insulting, demeaning, unintelligent and patronizing ways? Holy fuck, this guy essentially just said "I think you're all god damned idiots incapable of thinking about anything at all" to the entire nation. Right to healthcare = slavery, come the fuck on. No adult can honestly say something like that outside of an absurd comedy sketch. What a crock of baloney. Not surprising so much loose dry shit can spew from a giant gaping asshole.

I guess we need to know the context of what the witness before the committee said. Could have been equally asinine.
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The point that he was making was that what is considered "left" in America, is really "centre-left" in other parts of the world. Same thing goes for the right of the political spectrum. That's his perspective, based on where he's from.

Also, he's not wrong.


When it comes to social welfare, yes.

However, I think we gloss over lots of nuances and differences with these terms between North America and Europe, and even the UK and Europe. Many far right Europeans believe in robust social welfare states, but they are socially and culturally very conservative.
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no one has ever talked about 'An Affordable Weapons Act"

or that Weapons should be free, or provided to people that cannot afford them.

not that I am agreeing with Rand
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Universal health care isn't actually free, you fucking dipshit.

God, I hate Rand Paul. He just says things that he thinks sound Republican-ish and hopes it works out.
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yes it's not free, but once the Government becomes overly involved they will have doctors working for slave wages. In America we reward the industry with generous compensation for advancements and greater skill/ expertise.
In countries with socialized medicine doctors live no better than many of their patients.
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yes it's not free, but once the Government becomes overly involved they will have doctors working for slave wages. In America we reward the industry with generous compensation for advancements and greater skill/ expertise.
In countries with socialized medicine doctors live no better than many of their patients.
Right, Then whats the motivation for a student to want to go through all the schooling and debt.
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not that I am agreeing with Rand

So it's only the poor that are the slave owners? It's not everyone else wanting affordable healthcare and calling it a 'right'?

It seemed to me that Rand had an issue with calling it a 'right' and he was equating 'right' with free, and my point was that not all 'rights' are free.


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yes it's not free, but once the Government becomes overly involved they will have doctors working for slave wages. In America we reward the industry with generous compensation for advancements and greater skill/ expertise.
In countries with socialized medicine doctors live no better than many of their patients.

There were doctors being paid "slave wages" before the ACA. Insurance companies were making the real money. It's true, the ACA will reduce the disparity of wages from the top earners and those that chose to serve the diabetics, but slave wages? Really?

I know personally that some of the "poorer" hospitals here in TX have broken even or made a profit for the first time in decades since the ACA has been enacted.


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In countries with socialized medicine doctors live no better than many of their patients.
Many of their patients? That's simply not true. Unless you're going by claims that doctors work with 50-60% overhead on a $150k income when the number is more realistically 25-30%.

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More than 90 per cent of Canadian physicians are incorporated, which has some tax advantages, such as lower taxes, income splitting (paying a salary to a spouse, for example), and deferring tax payments by holding money in the corporation.

Let’s take a practical example of how this works, courtesy of the Canadian Medical Association. A physician with billings of about $250,000 would have a net income of about $200,000 and take home $127,100 after taxes. That same physician, incorporated, would have roughly the same take-home but be able to defer taxes on $60,000.

What you hear, especially during contract negotiation time, is that physicians have overhead costs ranging from 40-60 per cent, and pay 40 per cent income taxes. The available data show that this is self-serving piffle.

But equally spurious is the rhetoric about doctors oozing wealth. During Ontario’s recent contract talks much was made of the 252 “millionaire” physicians when, in fact, those who bill $1-million are outliers, not at all representative.

Beyond the crude numbers we have, we don’t know how many hours physicians practice, how their income varies by years of experience and other basic information.

All this is to say that physicians are not living high on the hog. For the most part, they are earning wages commensurate with their training and responsibility. Many doctors are, frankly, underpaid.

But what doctors are paid should not be a guessing game. The lack of transparency does not serve taxpayers or the medical profession.
It's problematic that some mechanics make as much as physicians with $100k in student loans, but that tells me that the mechanic is being overvalued relative to the physician, not that the physician is a slave.
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