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Old 05-21-2015, 05:31 AM   #361
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Vlad, we get it. The US ideals of the left don't live up to the text book definition.
This is the first post on this I've made in a while? I don't understand your reaction.

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Who do you support?
Because it seems that your ideals are far left of Trotsky.


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I'm so far to the left that you can't even see me from where you're sitting.

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Most of the board seems to be super-left. I'm a conservative. What about you Bob? Are you somewhere in between on the spectrum.
I always felt this board had a general centre-left lean, there's nothing at all 'super-left' and distant from the political mainstream in regards to most of the contributors here.

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Because that's totally what Scandinavia is...a dictatorship ala 1984.


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True, although I found it kind of interesting that Sanders still refers to Scandinavia as a platform to aspire to when even they have drifted from their social democratic heyday in recent decades.
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Old 05-21-2015, 05:53 AM   #362
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If Bernie Sanders isn't liberal enough for some people here, yes that's scary.
Sanders is about as far as 'liberal' can go. I would be surprised if there were any existing liberals to the left of him.
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If Bernie Sanders isn't liberal enough for some people here, yes that's scary.

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Um, one person does not equal most.

And to give you context that poster is not in the U.S., what some of you consider "far-left" is very center compared to other parts of the world.


*edited to say one other poster has come out and said Sanders isn't liberal but after you had made this comment.

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Do you not know that Vlad is not an American, Bob? I don't think you know that.


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Old 05-21-2015, 12:38 PM   #365
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Do you not know that Vlad is not an American, Bob? I don't think you know that.


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I don't care where he's from. If that's some kind of cop out, that's weak bullcrap. If he doesn't live in this country, how would he know how our systems work and why would his opinion mean anything.


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The internet is in America, Vlad. Get the fuck out of here.
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If he doesn't live in this country, how would he know how our systems work
It's possible to educate yourself quite well about countries other than your own.

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That's an awfully narrow view to take. Should we not care what other educated, informed people might have to say, simply because they live in a different country?
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It's possible to educate yourself quite well about countries other than your own.



That's an awfully narrow view to take. Should we not care what other educated, informed people might have to say, simply because they live in a different country?

Yes, educated and informed people can express their opinions. But he rips on the American system, then uses the fact that he's not an American as a cop out.


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How is it a cop out?

If anything it's a justification for his broader view that liberals in the States are pretty centrist globally.
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What exactly is he copping out of? He never claimed to have all the answers, he's just giving his opinion from a different cultural perspective.
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Vlad can have an opinion. I love UK politics. And he's probably correct in his initial point that Sanders is probably conservative compared to Socialist parties in Euro parliaments.


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Yes, educated and informed people can express their opinions. But he rips on the American system, then uses the fact that he's not an American as a cop out.
The point that he was making was that what is considered "left" in America, is really "centre-left" in other parts of the world. Same thing goes for the right of the political spectrum. That's his perspective, based on where he's from.

Also, he's not wrong.
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not that it matters but Vlad, I believe has spent some time in America

I along with many of us in here have no problem writing our opinions on Israel, Russia, UK, China, Iraq and any other number of countries

this is a place where I welcome and appreciate all opinions.
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I don't care where he's from. If that's some kind of cop out, that's weak bullcrap. If he doesn't live in this country, how would he know how our systems work and why would his opinion mean anything.


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You missed his point entirely and assigned it a completely different tone. Everyone else understood. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to question someone's knowledge about the subject.


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