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Old 04-23-2015, 07:25 PM   #211
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so you are saying, the GOP are always a few decades behind the Democrats.
Maybe. But what I was really trying to point out is that you have to be careful with the usual stereotypes of each party.

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And there will be 20 more 'scandals' like this and it literally will not matter.

1. A Democrat will win the White House. Period. One sober look at demographics, the electoral college and the GOP platform will tell you this. Besides all of that (it's enough)...the GOP's best candidate has the surname of Bush. Surely a real attraction to middle voters who decide swing states.

2. HRC will be the Democratic nominee. Period. She's polling so high, all the smart money is already with her. Any opposition is permanently on the outside looking in. Said another way...Obama announced his candidacy for President 21 months before the 2008 election. We are already almost 18 months away.

3. She will be the next President no matter how hard the media tries A) to get someone else to run on the Democratic side (if not because of ideology, conflict is the narrative that always sells) and B) to convince everyone of something they already believe w/r/t HRC.

4. Most of the 300 million people in America did not sleep through the supposed-Clinton-scandal-a-week 1990's. Everybody knows her. They believe what they believe about her. And she's still the strong favorite. And those that don't know her as well, younger people, are going to vote Democrat no matter what.

5. Obama rode a wave of excitement the likes of our generations have never seen and he coasted by a media too afraid to dig into him too much. And he still barely got past her.

The 2016 election, most likely, is already over with. It would be a HUGE upset if she doesn't win. In a word, it would be shocking. In most election cycles, it would be far too early to be so declarative. But this is entirely unique in our modern era. It would normally take a scandal or a viable challenger to doom her. And no challenger exists...and the more the GOP nitpicks a bunch of supposed scandalous crap nobody but FOX News viewers (never voting for HRC to begin with) cares about...the more numb everyone else grows to it.

Oh, and I almost forgot...she's going to get quite a bit of female votes, maybe even some moderate conservatives. So, yeah.
So, then it looks like the Republicans will be favored to win the White House in 2024? What do you think about 2024?

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The country is hungry for a non Clinton/Bush.
On the contrary, we've had nearly 8 years without any Clinton/Bush in the White House. I say the country is ready for both.
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The GOP will not win another presidential race for a long time unless there is drastic change in the party, or a drastic misstep by the Democrats. You can't be that out of touch and win the highest seat in the country.


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The GOP will not win another presidential race for a long time unless there is drastic change in the party, or a drastic misstep by the Democrats. You can't be that out of touch and win the highest seat in the country.
And when your base is that old and not getting replaced.
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Your analysis was a good read.









The Left wants her out. It's not Fox News, its the New York Times attacking her. Not to mention the Daily Beast. They want Warren bad. I want Warren to run, because I don't think she plays well to the audience outside the Liberal Cities and Academic Enclaves (Which that is not lost on Dem voters. may save Clinton for the nomination) The country is hungry for a non Clinton/Bush.



Read the articles that come out about the Uranium deal over the next few days and you'll see who has their knives out on the Left.



(It's fun to watch, I'm a political junkie)



What/who is "The Left"?

Are you equating the NYT with Fox News?
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The Left wing of the Democratic Party. Who? The Obama team-appartus, Warren, Sanders, O' Malley. New York Times, New Republic, Daily Beast. They want a truer blue liberal to attack Wall St. instead of cozy up to her.

I was saying the article wasn't a hit piece from Fox News, I was mentioning that it was from NYT which is a liberal institution. It's almost shocking to see how it is a media feeding frenzy already with her campaign three weeks underway.
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The Left wing of the Democratic Party. Who? The Obama team-appartus, Warren, Sanders, O' Malley. New York Times, New Republic, Daily Beast. They want a truer blue liberal to attack Wall St. instead of cozy up to her.

I was saying the article wasn't a hit piece from Fox News, I was mentioning that it was from NYT which is a liberal institution. It's almost shocking to see how it is a media feeding frenzy already with her campaign three weeks underway.


I think you have a very skewed vision of how the media works. The NYT is not a left wing equivalent of Fox News, it's reporting is not left wing. The New Republic is classical liberal, much more hawkish than the Democratic left, and has no right wing equivalent. The Dailey Beast is much the same (minus the intelligence of TNR), and neither has the readership that would approach Fox News or the reach of right wing radio. The "feeding frenzy" you see is a right wing fabrication.

All that said, the NYT story may be an issue not because it's some liberal attack machine recalibrated to go after Hillary by the powers-that-be, but because it's the newspaper of record digging into the presumptive Democratic nominee. We will see how it develops, but it's silly to imagine that Elizabeth Warren and Obama have passed out a talking points memo to the media in the way that the Bush White House would do with Roger Ailes.
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because it's the newspaper of record digging into the presumptive Democratic nominee.
It is very rare to see this type of bloodletting in the Times aimed at any Democrat, let alone the Clintons. 88 paragraphs in length.
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It is very rare to see this type of bloodletting in the Times aimed at any Democrat, let alone the Clintons. 88 paragraphs in length.


Is it? Or is there just an actual story here that the NYT reported on because they are a newspaper and it is their job to do so?

There's no master plan at work here, no one is lining up to assassinate HRC because she's not left enough. This is actual journalism at work.
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NYT and The Daily Beast are leftist? Incredible.
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The New York Times is centrist. I wish there was more liberalism in the media, but alas, there is not.


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The right wing media wants you to believe that EVERYTHING is on one side of a line or the other, that they are all foot soldiers in a war, that they are all the same, just different sides of the same coin.

They aren't.

Yes, MSNBC is liberal. Yes, Daily Kos is liberal. Yes, Rachel Maddow is liberal.

But the NYT, Time, Newsweek, CBS, whatever ... They go to great pains to actually report news. And to accuse them of bias actually pulls all dialogue to the right, because, fearing bias, they tend to over correct. There is liberal media, but "the media" is not by default liberal.
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CNN is a great example of overcompensating for bias.


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The right wing media wants you to believe that EVERYTHING is on one side of a line or the other, that they are all foot soldiers in a war, that they are all the same, just different sides of the same coin.

They aren't.

Yes, MSNBC is liberal. Yes, Daily Kos is liberal. Yes, Rachel Maddow is liberal.

But the NYT, Time, Newsweek, CBS, whatever ... They go to great pains to actually report news. And to accuse them of bias actually pulls all dialogue to the right, because, fearing bias, they tend to over correct. There is liberal media, but "the media" is not by default liberal.
The type of people who fall for that shit are the type of people who constantly need an enemy, no matter how vague or fictional, in their lives to justify their own worldviews to themselves and feel superior to others who don't think the same. I think this is why you see so much bigotry and outright racism/sexism/shitty viewpoints from the Tea Party types. It's purely psychological, these people tend to flock together because they all justify each other as well.
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The GOP will not win another presidential race for a long time unless there is drastic change in the party, or a drastic misstep by the Democrats. You can't be that out of touch and win the highest seat in the country.

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I doubt the Republicans will be able to win the White House in the next two election cycles for reasons given earlier, but their not really that far away either. Last election, Romney got 47% of the popular vote. If he had flipped five more states red, he would have won the election. The Republicans control the Senate and the House. They also have a majority of the state governors.

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And when your base is that old and not getting replaced.
The number of people voting for the Republican Presidential candidate increased by 1 million in 2012 over the 2008 figure. By comparison, the number of people voting for the Democratic candidate decreased by 3.6 million.

Finally, lets remember that over the past century, the longest either party has held onto the White House is 5 terms. Since World War II its only 3 terms. The Democrats will eventually be handing the White House back to the Republicans.
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The Left wing of the Democratic Party. Who? The Obama team-appartus, Warren, Sanders, O' Malley. New York Times, New Republic, Daily Beast. They want a truer blue liberal to attack Wall St. instead of cozy up to her.

I was saying the article wasn't a hit piece from Fox News, I was mentioning that it was from NYT which is a liberal institution. It's almost shocking to see how it is a media feeding frenzy already with her campaign three weeks underway.

This is the out of touch I was talking about...


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