US Presidential Election 2016...because it's never too early

[DaveC]

I guess we need to know the context of what the witness before the committee said. Could have been equally asinine.

Who gives a flying fuck what the witness said? Under what conceivable context could that statement make any rational sense?

yes it's not free, but once the Government becomes overly involved they will have doctors working for slave wages. In America we reward the industry with generous compensation for advancements and greater skill/ expertise.
In countries with socialized medicine doctors live no better than many of their patients.

I live in a country with universal healthcare. This is patently false. Don't just make shit up, I know you're better than that, deep.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Um, one person does not equal most.

And to give you context that poster is not in the U.S., what some of you consider "far-left" is very center compared to other parts of the world.


*edited to say one other poster has come out and said Sanders isn't liberal but after you had made this comment.

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In some parts, yeah, but the position of the political mainstream differs country by country, I do think it's simplistic to say that the US mainstream is further to the right of any country in the world (and just to clarify it's definitely not what I meant).

Do you not know that Vlad is not an American, Bob? I don't think you know that.


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Outside is America.

The internet is in America, Vlad. Get the fuck out of here.

This is an example of US cyberweb imperialism, claiming everything with .com domains.

How is it a cop out?

If anything it's a justification for his broader view that liberals in the States are pretty centrist globally.

And that the term 'liberal' takes on a vastly different meaning in places such as Europe, and hell, even Australia where to be labelled a 'liberal' is to suggest that one supports the ruling conservative party.

Vlad can have an opinion. I love UK politics. And he's probably correct in his initial point that Sanders is probably conservative compared to Socialist parties in Euro parliaments.


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I actually tend to disagree with this, Sanders seems to be more or less on the same level as the nominally social democratic parties in Europe. I would say Sanders is more progressive than the leadership bases of UK Labour (New Labour aren't a particularly leftwing force in my opinion), and that in a UK context I think he'd find himself right at home with the Greens or the SNP.

 

[Irvine511]

Right, Then whats the motivation for a student to want to go through all the schooling and debt.

To help people?

 

[Oregoropa]

To help people?

Then we're going to have a doctor shortage, because some people won't go through with it.

 

[DaveC]

Then we're going to have a doctor shortage, because some people won't go through with it.

[citation needed]

 

[BVS]

Then we're going to have a doctor shortage, because some people won't go through with it.

I want the doctor who's motivated by her Porsche operating on me!

Money is definitely a motivator. But to think salaries will get so low that it won't motivate medicine is ludicrous.

I graduated with a degree 18 years ago that requires more testing than a lawyer to get licensed, as much liability as a doctor, and I was making the same as a school teacher upon graduation. A profession where you don't get beyond "slave wages" until your name is on the firm. This profession has always been this way and it will never die.


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[martha]

Then we're going to have a doctor shortage, because some people won't go through with it.

Like the upcoming teacher shortage?

and I was making the same as a school teacher upon graduation.

A telling comparison.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

I want the doctor who's motivated by her Porsche operating on me!

Money is definitely a motivator. But to think salaries will get so low that it won't motivate medicine is ludicrous.

I graduated with a degree 18 years ago that requires more testing than a lawyer to get licensed, as much liability as a doctor, and I was making the same as a school teacher upon graduation. A profession where you don't get beyond "slave wages" until your name is on the firm. This profession has always been this way and it will never die.


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What's your profession BVS (if you don't mind me asking)? Based on what you've written it sounds an awful lot like architecture.

 

[Oregoropa]

My original statement

Then we're going to have a doctor shortage, because some people won't go through with it.

[citation needed]

Didn't know I needed a citation for human nature. But if you're grading my paper of a simple statement here you go.


Here is government provided healthcare (VA) struggling to fill positions because of wage restrictions. (mandated lower wages than private sector)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/30/us/doctor-shortages-cited-in-va-hospital-waits.html?_r=0

Doctor shortage could take turn for the worse

Is Medical School Worth it Financially?

A Physician Shortage – What About Universal Health Care? on Birmingham Medical News

 

[Oregoropa]

Like the upcoming teacher shortage?

Teachers don't have to go to school for at least seven years and graduate with loads of debt.

 

[martha]

Teachers don't have to go to school for at least seven years and graduate with loads of debt.

Bwhahahahaha. Nope, only five years in states that don't require a Master's, but some states require a Master's, so there's your seven years.

Anyone who goes to college nowadays graduates with debt. Where have you been?

 

[Oregoropa]

Bwhahahahaha. Nope, only five years in states that don't require a Master's, but some states require a Master's, so there's your seven years.

Anyone who goes to college nowadays graduates with debt. Where have you been?

If teachers want to do it for the love of the profession than they can go into the 'Teach for America' program that serves under-resourced urban and rural districts. All you need is a simple bachelors degree and a 2 year commitment to stay in the role.

I had a friend I worked with who got fired for getting a DUI. Went home to Baltimore and taught 7-year olds and loved it.

here is my citation
https://www.teachforamerica.org/

 

[DaveC]

I had a friend I worked with who got fired for getting a DUI. Went home to Baltimore and taught 7-year olds and loved it.

 

[Oregoropa]

Is that from a show or movie with a similar premise?

 

[LemonMelon]

It's from The Wire. Same location, but replace DUI with murder and it's the same thing.

 

[Oregoropa]

Figured it was that. My buddy (before he went to college, the job, the dui, and the teaching) was also shot in the calf slinging dope.

Maybe it was him.

I watched season 1 of the Wire so far.

 

[Kieran McConville]

Hey everyone it's Omar, Omar's coming.

 

[cobl04]

Checking in, cos I'm interested. Got pretty wrapped up in the 2012 elections. A shame we won't have The Colbert Report, but maybe he'll still have some sharp work as Late Night host?

Also sad Obama's moving on. I think he's been a pretty cool, fun president.

In the meantime, here's our current prime minister (we still can't have a president because a bunch of old, white fuckwits cry every time they hear a member of the royal family so much as sneezes) eating a raw onion looped to Darude Sandstorm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc07UoEWYAA

 

[BVS]

A telling comparison.

The comparison was made because teachers are notoriously underpaid, and everyone knows people don't become teachers for the money. That's all



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[BVS]

What's your profession BVS (if you don't mind me asking)? Based on what you've written it sounds an awful lot like architecture.

Ding ding ding!




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[Mrs. Garrison]

Ding ding ding!




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Oh man, i had a friend who did that and he didn't like it so much that he eventually went back to cutting hair. I believe he makes much more money cutting hair than designing whatever.

If it weren't for my gig i would probably be selling cars. I went straight from HS to the Army, never finished college in all of these years. I am truly blessed.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Ding ding ding!




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Goddamnit, my condolences! I'm more than halfway through my degree in this field, albeit slightly different profession, and this is a reality commonly understood by many.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

I could vote for George Pataki. I've done it before.

His stance on gay marriage would be the only thing holding me back, but if he comes out publicly for it he'll never get nominated... which is the GOP's biggest problem. Anyone with moderate stances can't get nominated.

Not that he'll get nominated anyway, but still.

 

[PhilsFan]

If teachers want to do it for the love of the profession than they can go into the 'Teach for America' program that serves under-resourced urban and rural districts. All you need is a simple bachelors degree and a 2 year commitment to stay in the role.



I had a friend I worked with who got fired for getting a DUI. Went home to Baltimore and taught 7-year olds and loved it.



here is my citation

https://www.teachforamerica.org/

People get into Teach for America to get a job right out of school. There is no long term sustainability in working for that program, which makes this a rather lazy response to Martha's point.


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[BVS]

Goddamnit, my condolences! I'm more than halfway through my degree in this field, albeit slightly different profession, and this is a reality commonly understood by many.

I did it for 6 years then got out, now I'm back in the field but in a different capacity. Much happier and more comfortable.


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[cobl04]

I did it for 6 years then got out, now I'm back in the field but in a different capacity. Much happier and more comfortable.


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[anitram]

In countries with socialized medicine doctors live no better than many of their patients.

In Canada, they're all making 6 figures, some very high 6 figures.

So sure, they're not living better than their patients, if their patients are investment bankers.

 

[bobsaget77]

If teachers want to do it for the love of the profession than they can go into the 'Teach for America' program that serves under-resourced urban and rural districts. All you need is a simple bachelors degree and a 2 year commitment to stay in the role.



I had a friend I worked with who got fired for getting a DUI. Went home to Baltimore and taught 7-year olds and loved it.



here is my citation

https://www.teachforamerica.org/

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[LuckyNumber7]

I find anyone who claims that they are a libertarian but "tend to side with the republicans on social issues" to be a huuuuge hypocrite. Libertarianism is founded on liberty. Freedom. If anything, the reverse is acceptable. Believing in social libertarianism while accepting certain forms of non-invasive institution is fair. If you describe yourself as a libertarian and social republican, you're just a republican. This would be like calling Rand Paul libertarian. He only gets such a name because of his father. He's a republican, and not the good type.

 

[bobsaget77]

I find anyone who claims that they are a libertarian but "tend to side with the republicans on social issues" to be a huuuuge hypocrite. Libertarianism is founded on liberty. Freedom. If anything, the reverse is acceptable. Believing in social libertarianism while accepting certain forms of non-invasive institution is fair. If you describe yourself as a libertarian and social republican, you're just a republican. This would be like calling Rand Paul libertarian. He only gets such a name because of his father. He's a republican, and not the good type.

Ok


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