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Old 04-21-2015, 10:55 AM   #136
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Regis, my final answer is going to be C, "all of the above".
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Old 04-21-2015, 11:24 AM   #137
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But is he detestable, or are we detestable for allowing this two party system, which was never the intent of our democracy, to take a strangle hold over our government; to where the only way you can get nominated is by kowtowing to the extremes of each party, shitting all over your own personal beliefs?
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Old 04-21-2015, 11:52 AM   #138
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Our democracy was very poorly designed if the intent was not a two-party system.
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Old 04-21-2015, 01:32 PM   #139
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But is he detestable, or are we detestable for allowing this two party system, which was never the intent of our democracy, to take a strangle hold over our government; to where the only way you can get nominated is by kowtowing to the extremes of each party, shitting all over your own personal beliefs?

I threw my hat in the ring third party for irrational hope of pulling 5% in order to realign campaign funding under "major party" rules.

He's still detestable, and the problem of a two party system is a bit bigger than just us. It's etched into the stone. Not easy to reverse.
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Old 04-21-2015, 01:39 PM   #140
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If people stopped being so defeated about it (easier said than done, I know) that would be a big boost.
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Old 04-21-2015, 06:44 PM   #141
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Hehe, I remember PhilsFan in 2012 going all "this isn't the election to vote 3rd party you're a total waste of a vote" and somebody else going off about it being the most important election of my lifetime (which was a load of crap statement).
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Old 04-21-2015, 07:12 PM   #142
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My prediction: Hillary is going to continue to struggle as the 'Clinton Cash' book rolls out. So far her campaign as appeared inauthentic. She has bussed in Democrat operatives into a meet and greet at a coffee shop. The media is not giving her as much cover as she is used to. Seeing weakness in the Clinton machine I think more people might throw their hat in the ring.

I'm not a Democrat. For those of you who generally side with Democrats who would you want to see if not Hillary?
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Hehe, I remember PhilsFan in 2012 going all "this isn't the election to vote 3rd party you're a total waste of a vote" and somebody else going off about it being the most important election of my lifetime (which was a load of crap statement).

Will the third party vote ever not be a waste of a vote if we're still functioning under the electoral college system?

Perot and Nader were probably the 2 biggest third party runners I can think of in my lifetime, and both played a big part in handing the election over to the candidate who most opposed the third party.


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I'm not a Democrat. For those of you who generally side with Democrats who would you want to see if not Hillary?

Definitely Elizabeth Warren, a real progressive who actually stands for principles that benefits everyday Americans rather than the rich. But I fear she would be corrupted by all the money that comes with a presidential campaign, plus her foreign policy isn't there yet.


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How 'far' to the left (by American standards) is Warren?
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Hehe, I remember PhilsFan in 2012 going all "this isn't the election to vote 3rd party you're a total waste of a vote" and somebody else going off about it being the most important election of my lifetime (which was a load of crap statement).
Winner take all means two parties. Third party candidates are irrelevant in America.


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Only because two parties are allowed to strangle the system because of funding.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:11 AM   #148
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Only because two parties are allowed to strangle the system because of funding.
While that is a large part of it, you also have a structural problem with the winner-take-all system.

The US is not a parliamentary democracy, this in itself is the largest barricade to a multi-party system, money notwithstanding.
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Change is DUE from US voters.

This post is me taking action. Everyone currently buying into our bullshit two-party oligarchy has 1 of 2 choices. They can either take action themselves and "CHANGE" the culture here OR they can look forward to more embarrassing candidates in the future from these pissweak political parties.

Democrats, Republicans and their yes-men will not strong-arm me into keeping my mouth shut on this matter. It’s called “FREEDOM OF SPEECH”. I will no longer be a silent drone to this oppression and their tyrannical two-party system.

Things will change. I know people.

Let's make like Devin Hester and take this shit to the WHITE HOUSE.
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My prediction: Hillary is going to continue to struggle as the 'Clinton Cash' book rolls out. So far her campaign as appeared inauthentic. She has bussed in Democrat operatives into a meet and greet at a coffee shop. The media is not giving her as much cover as she is used to. Seeing weakness in the Clinton machine I think more people might throw their hat in the ring.

I'm not a Democrat. For those of you who generally side with Democrats who would you want to see if not Hillary?


When has the media ever given her "cover"?

Wasn't the whole argument in 2008 that the media fawned over Obama and was rough on her?
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