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Old 01-23-2019, 03:18 PM   #121
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As much as I want Maduro out, we definitely do not need to be "intervening".
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Old 01-23-2019, 03:34 PM   #122
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I feel as if this was hypothesized about at least a year or two ago.

Kind of like invading Iraq.
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Because America has such a fabulous record of success in Latin and South America.
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I feel as if this was hypothesized about at least a year or two ago.

Kind of like invading Iraq.
pretty sure trump just vaguely spitballed the idea back then, and it really didn't go anywhere beyond that.

actually declaring maduro to be illegitimate and officially declaring his opponent as the legitimate president is obviously a massive and kinda surprising escalation though. maduro has got to go asap and democracy and representative government badly needs to be restored there, but not at the point of an american gun.

i also really wish every single media article about this would stop calling maduro a socialist. he's pretty much the opposite of a socialist at this point. he clearly doesn't give a single shit about the working class in his country, or about anything at all for that matter other than maintaining his own personal power. there was a legit case to be made that chavismo was a form of socialism but maduro is just a straight up totalitarian absolutist.
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Old 01-24-2019, 06:01 AM   #126
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So there was a shooting at a bank killing 5 people...

But but but border security is a national emergency...
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Old 01-24-2019, 10:44 AM   #127
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So there was a shooting at a bank killing 5 people...

But but but border security is a national emergency...
1. If he was an immigrant, I'm sure we would have heard more about it.

2. Florida
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Old 01-24-2019, 11:48 AM   #128
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1. If he was an immigrant, I'm sure we would have heard more about it.

2. Florida
Indeed! Not only that, trump would be all over twitter about it if it was an illegal immigrant. But since he is a white American, not a peep! Just a case of mental illness not a big deal.
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Air safety is deteriorating by the day during this shutdown. Very unsafe situation, I'm glad I don't have to fly again. Not a secure feeling or a pleasant experience. But that's not a national emergency?

Does Trump even care that the situation is ripe for terrorists to take advantage ?
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Air safety is deteriorating by the day during this shutdown. Very unsafe situation, I'm glad I don't have to fly again. Not a secure feeling or a pleasant experience. But that's not a national emergency?

Does Trump even care that the situation is ripe for terrorists to take advantage ?
Right? I mean how easy would it be to bribe a TSA agent who hasn't been paid in over a month. That is exactly why federal employees can be disciplined or fired for having credit/debt problems.
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Flying 6 or 7 times over the next 3 months so just really looking forward to an absolute shit show
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Yeah, I fly twice a month. Really looking forward to the next time.

I do have both CLEAR and TSA PreCheck, so I'm able to use a PreCheck only security checkpoint. I've flown twice since the shutdown and I haven't had any problems, but I'm afraid the PreCheck only checkpoints will be the first to close if there are staffing issues.

Honestly, I'm more worried about disgruntled air traffic controllers being asleep at the switch.
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Rich for John Kelly to be calling for an end to the shutdown. Because he was so helpful and useful and not at all racist when he was in the WH. All these people can get bent.
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There's talk of the shutdown going into March.

Pence has something for Venezuela, so keep an eye on that situation. Trump floated an invasion a year ago.

WH has been asking Pentagon for draft summaries of outcomes and cost of going to war with Iran, which has made those in the Pentagon nervous.

I feel like this shutdown is more about purging out the good apples, and then allowing the bad ones to slowly take over. Privatize the government. Privatize the military (Erik Pence is a name to watch for).

Democrats need to grow a spine and subpoena his tax returns, and start the impeachment process.

Mueller is taking too long and there's no promise he'll even recommend charges. I don't get what's stopping him from indicting Stone, Kush, Jnr.....and Trump himself. They all are openly violating the law and nothing gets done.

Purging the FBI and stacking the DOJ with Trump supporters is one reason I guess.
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