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I know this is 1000 pages ago, but can you imagine being a sadder historical footnote than being the guy who fell on a sword for Donald Trump?
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This was my Facebook (I am old) post today. It was basically "I make few political posts because family/friends from both sides, blah blah, but as you are watching the events of the next few days unfold, remember there isn't a liberal ANYWHERE NEAR this process. Not even close. The guy executing this is a stalwart Republican with more bonafides than the cabinet combined. So before you search for that website that gives you the perfect cut and paste response about why this is a sham, or start the "whatabouts", remember this is right wing busting right wing, libtards are nowhere to be seen in this process, and this is the "winning" team, so worrying about what the losers did is pointless. You can't vacate when you didn't win the title."
BVS
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The winning by technicality Trump voter?
His current wife?
Every evangelical that sold their soul for a treasonous sexual assaulter?
Moonlit_Angel
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Well said
.The "whatabout-ism" especially kills me. So let's say that Hillary was indeed guilty of all the stuff the GOP claims she was guilty of. How and why, exactly, does that excuse Trump's behavior, then? Wouldn't Trump supporters want their guy to be better than her, in that case, instead of be like, "Well, she got away with it, why can't he?" Using "whatabouts" is pretty much an admission that you know your guy is shit, and you just don't care because hey, everyone's shit, right?
(As for your comment about political bias, it deals with one party targeting the other in my example, but I've always found it weird that GOP supporters never stopped to think about the fact that the investigations against Hillary have been Republican-led-i.e., free of any potential party bias-and yet even they still couldn't seem to find anything to nab her on.
So wouldn't one think that would give them pause? I mean, if I were a GOP supporter and saw that my party couldn't convict Clinton of anything she was being accused of, to me, that would likely mean one of two things: 1) that Clinton could somehow pay them off to prevent them from punishing her, or something to that effect, which wouldn't exactly speak well to the Republicans' ability to stand up to her as a party...
...or 2) as we've learned, they really couldn't find anything on her. I'm just really curious how GOP supporters manage to explain that aspect of their party's failed investigations into Hillary away.)
And yes, I know, I'm trying to apply logic to situations that don't allow for it.
Oh, I don't think Trump's supporters will hide away and shut up. I'd love for them to finally come to the table and go, "Yeah, we made a major mistake, he was a crap president", but I'm not holding my breath on that happening. I think they'll still be sharing their conspiracy theories about this being a witch hunt and whatnot for years to come. Hopefully, they just won't have any political power anymore, and their theories will be confined to the edges of the internet world at best.
I certainly don't think the GOP will move to get rid of Trump out of the sheer goodness of their hearts and for our country's well-being, as they would've obviously done that by now if they really gave a damn. I guarantee that if they actually do bother to support efforts to impeach Trump, or use the 25th Amendment, or something to that effect, it'll solely be in a desperate attempt to save their own asses and have a chance of being re-elected next year.
If that happens, though, I think you're right to be afraid that voters could potentially fall for their, "I was against Trump from the start"/"I wanted to speak out" BS. And in that case, I think we need to do our damndest to make it clear that no, these guys were perfectly content to stay as quiet and look the other way for as long as possible, and they deserve to be called out and held responsible for their silence.
Depending on how deep and how close this investigation and these indictments continue to go, I'm thinking the possibility of Trump just flat out resigning looks more and more likely at this point. Like I've said before, knowing him, he could easily find some way to spin a resignation in his favor.
If that happens, though, then we have to hope that there's some chance that this investigation will make it so Pence can go with him. That's the part I'd be most concerned about at this point.
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it's kind of an act of war though, an attack on US institutions and systems by conspiring with non-US entities, not to mention cyber-war
BoMac
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This is a very lengthy, but nonetheless extremely interesting thread:
https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/925115577190010880
https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/925115577190010880
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Stuff like this really gets my hopes up. But I’m trying not to treat it as fact, or even possible.
It makes sense what he wrote. But he’s just speculating. Albeit, logically
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Considering George Papadopoulos is only 30 years old, I'd venture a guess it didn't take long for him to falter in the face of authority questioning him. Unless, of course, his character resembles his facade more than I assume. But thus far the evidence suggests otherwise.
I get a suspicion John Kelly interprets being "a good soldier" as being someone who throws hmself in the line of fire, or even creates some, if that is what it takes to protect his commander. Else it's difficult to explain how first he could completely misremember the speech by Rep. Wilson, and now misremembers history classes in this terrible right-wing fashion (ok, maybe he was trained in tailor your speech to the audience and took it a bit too literal):
Considering George Papadopoulos is only 30 years old, I'd venture a guess it didn't take long for him to falter in the face of authority questioning him. Unless, of course, his character resembles his facade more than I assume. But thus far the evidence suggests otherwise.
I get a suspicion John Kelly interprets being "a good soldier" as being someone who throws hmself in the line of fire, or even creates some, if that is what it takes to protect his commander. Else it's difficult to explain how first he could completely misremember the speech by Rep. Wilson, and now misremembers history classes in this terrible right-wing fashion (ok, maybe he was trained in tailor your speech to the audience and took it a bit too literal):
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/us/john-kelly-civil-war.html
Yes, this low level coffee guy, who was VOLUNTEER sure did have access to a lot of powerful people and meetings. He was on the National Sec team, and was flying all over the world to meet with other ambassadors. I think Mueller scared the fucking shit out of him, and he turned.
There is rumor that he was wired as well during his cooperation. Doesn't mean a literal mic taped to his chest, but instead EMAILS!, Texts, VM, Phone Calls, Social Media all could have been set up by the Feds to track his communications.
And John Kelly is an idiot. If only the black slaves had been willing to compromise a little more with their white owners, war could have been avoided.
Just like all those confederate statues that went up right at the time the war ended....or wait, they went up decades later, some even as recent as 50-60 years ago to spite the civil rights movement.
The indictment docket is still sealed btw, despite Manafort and Co. turning themselves in.....
John Kelly is perfect for Trump - little knowledge of history and the arrogance to not apologize. He's basically like a more disciplined Trump but with all the same sorts of drawbacks. Gross.
I was reminded today on a radio show of how much Trump bragged about how small his campaign staff was. That he only had 70 or so people working for him whereas Hillary had 700. Remember, this used to be a reason that Republicans doubted his ability to secure the nomination - they thought he had no organized ground game (he didn't), not enough experienced campaign advisors (also true) and would falter before people like Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush who had the infrastructure in place for months or years. So now we are meant to believe that in this small campaign staff neither Manafort (who was the campaign manager) nor Papadopoulos (an "oil and gas advisor, excellent guy") are guys nobody in the Trump campaign ever really heard of or had anything to do with.
Okay.
I was reminded today on a radio show of how much Trump bragged about how small his campaign staff was. That he only had 70 or so people working for him whereas Hillary had 700. Remember, this used to be a reason that Republicans doubted his ability to secure the nomination - they thought he had no organized ground game (he didn't), not enough experienced campaign advisors (also true) and would falter before people like Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush who had the infrastructure in place for months or years. So now we are meant to believe that in this small campaign staff neither Manafort (who was the campaign manager) nor Papadopoulos (an "oil and gas advisor, excellent guy") are guys nobody in the Trump campaign ever really heard of or had anything to do with.
Okay.
Popmartijn
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Yeah. It's not like he ever was close to Tump.
(That's Papadopoulos being highlighted with Trump on the other end of the table)
Apparent deliberate truck attack in lower Manhattan.
Looks like driver plowed down bike path, then got out of car with either a gun or a fake gun and was shot by NYPD.
I've been up and down that bike path a million times.
I've been up and down that bike path a million times.
LuckyNumber7
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My sister has lived in three different buildings right there on the west side highway. She's eight months pregnant and with a 1 year old, and walks that route to and from work. Luckily she's pregnant and wouldn't be walking at that hour.
Vincent Vega
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The excellent guy George, who barely anyone knew and has already proven to be a liar.
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I think he was just the perfect catch.
Moonlit_Angel
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Scary news about Manhattan. Damn. Glad they caught the guy, at least.
There's a ton of kids and families who walk this stretch... I used to do it with my wife and son. There's a huge park on Pier 25 that we used to go to on weekends, just up from Stuyvesant HS.
Fucking horrible.
Moonlit_Angel
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Yeah, they're talking on the news about how there's schools nearby that were on lockdown and such, and a bunch of kids were out and about this evening, with Halloween and all. Can't even begin to imagine how frightening this is for them. Guy's an asshole, plain and simple.
Stuyvesant HS and BMCC are right there on West Street.
The Halloween parade isn't really that close... It looks it on a map but Tribeca to the West Village is a different world in Manhattan. It is very close to the Ghostbusters fire house, which will obviously be very popular tonight. On the other side of BMCC is where most of the restaurants in Tribeca are located, Greenwich Street.
Based on both the obvious panic present in the Trump administration and right wing media over the Mueller investigation, and the manner in which they're dismissing it and casting doubt, I'm afraid we're gonna see Trump fire Mueller at some point when the investigation gets too close for comfort. And the Republican party and a good chunk of the American public is going to let him do it, too.
BoMac
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Here's the thing: if I was innocent and I was being investigated, I'd tell them to continue with their investigation because it won't turn up anything. Then when nothing comes up I can use that as ammunition against my critics.
But that's not what is happening here, which leads me to believe they are guilty.
But that's not what is happening here, which leads me to believe they are guilty.
elevated_u2_fan
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but its a Democrat conspiracy!
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