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Old 08-26-2017, 09:39 PM   #76
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As White Nationalist in Charlottesville Fired, Police ‘Never Moved’ https://nyti.ms/2w5trI6


White nationalists stood by while other white nationalists marched
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Let's not let Trump's fucking idiocy divide us into camps. We may actually have been getting somewhere with Aeon. Were we, Aeon? Hey, at least we determined you like "Ultraviolet".
"Baby, baby, baby light my way..."
Of course there is common ground. And for the most part, I think most of us here want the same ends - we just disagree on the means.
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AEON, you also seem really fixated and obsessed with the idea that the US is a nation of laws and that the laws on the books exist to prevent and/or mitigate racism and if only they were applied across the board, the entire issue of racism would disappear.
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That's a really...strange way to look at things to be honest. The law and legal system are NOT the appropriate tools to fix social problems.
They are the only genuine tools that civilization has. I certainly prefer laws, and properly enforcing those laws, over relying on something like ANTIFA to fix social problems. The arts can also have a major influence, but that would also mean allowing the whole range of ideas to be expressed - otherwise, eventually, people will catch on they are receiving "PC filtered"stories.

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You cannot criminalize institutional racism, for example. How many studies have been done by places like Harvard that have explicitly shown that African Americans with "black sounding" names on resumes are routinely ignored and not invited to interviews? That even if you control for all other factors like age and education level, an Alison Smith will have a huge leg up as compared to a Shaniqua Davis. Hell they even did studies where the test subjects all had "white sounding" names and conducted interviews over the phone.
Fair enough. Is this behavior unique to whites?

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We all have underlying assumptions we make about people, whether we like it or not.
Absolutely agree. The human brain is always looking for patterns so that it is "free" to receive and process new data.

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So this idea of yours that we have great laws and if you applied the laws to EVERYBODY there would be no problem is really shortsighted and frankly extraordinarily naive.
It the best, most measurable method available. That and Free Speech. You can try PC teaching, but then you get the fascist Generation Z as a result (have you noticed all the Hitler Youth haircuts? They really are not an accident). Listen to teen boys play video games...wow. At least Generation X and the Millennials had to hide their racism (out of shame). Now - it's just out there and they-don't-give-a-sh*t. However, like I said - I don't think these kids are "true believers" as much as they are being "rebellious" against their Political Correct education and media.
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White nationalists stood by while other white nationalists marched
I agree. Race inspired violence is terrible:

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Wow.

First, East St Louis was a victim of massive deindustrialization. If anything, and the parts of the Wikipedia article you so selectively left out actually point to this, systematic racism is what led to the city falling further after deindustrialization took root. Whites were able to leave and get jobs, blacks were not. Freeways ripped through the city to allow suburban, white workers to get to St Louis quicker.

These problems were already spiraling out of control long before the "Dixiecrats" jumped ship to the Republican party, so your "this is what happens when you only elect democrats" thing is a load of crap. Just look at all the shit flowing down the streets of San Francisco.

This post is garbage. That you left out the part about deindustrialization and tearing apart of neighborhoods, but made sure to include that the city's population was 97% black shoes your true colors.
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Wow.

First, East St Louis was a victim of massive deindustrialization. If anything, and the parts of the Wikipedia article you so selectively left out actually point to this, systematic racism is what led to the city falling further after deindustrialization took root. Whites were able to leave and get jobs, blacks were not. Freeways ripped through the city to allow suburban, white workers to get to St Louis quicker.

These problems were already spiraling out of control long before the "Dixiecrats" jumped ship to the Republican party, so your "this is what happens when you only elect democrats" thing is a load of crap. Just look at all the shit flowing down the streets of San Francisco.

This post is garbage. That you left out the part about deindustrialization and tearing apart of neighborhoods, but made sure to include that the city's population was 97% black shoes your true colors.
The point about the city being 97 percent black was to make it perfectly clear who the victims are...and who was/is their leadership through the entire downslide.

And San Francisco is not that clean. It's not East St. Louis, but there is plenty of trash and the theater district reeks of the urine from the homeless.
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Wooooooow.

Pretty much summed it up, right there.
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They are the only genuine tools that civilization has. I certainly prefer laws, and properly enforcing those laws, over relying on something like ANTIFA to fix social problems. The arts can also have a major influence, but that would also mean allowing the whole range of ideas to be expressed - otherwise, eventually, people will catch on they are receiving "PC filtered"stories.

Fair enough. Is this behavior unique to whites?

Absolutely agree. The human brain is always looking for patterns so that it is "free" to receive and process new data.

It the best, most measurable method available. That and Free Speech. You can try PC teaching, but then you get the fascist Generation Z as a result (have you noticed all the Hitler Youth haircuts? They really are not an accident). Listen to teen boys play video games...wow. At least Generation X and the Millennials had to hide their racism (out of shame). Now - it's just out there and they-don't-give-a-sh*t. However, like I said - I don't think these kids are "true believers" as much as they are being "rebellious" against their Political Correct education and media.
I work in a school but am not familiar with the Hitler Youth haircuts? To what do you refer? My observation is that a lot of kids aren't rebellious these days. Most of the student leaders are very entrenched with adult culture and are very much pleasers of the Establishment. It would be interesting if there were a small bit of rebellion--but most are too focused on their SAT scores and getting all A's. If not, they form in subgroups that have an interest in other things: football, farming, hunting, pot, etc. I think, with exceptions, that a lot of young people are far more tolerant than previous generations. Most seem to have no problem with gays, people w/disabilities, etc. Racial issues are still a challenge for some, but I would say that outright racists are the exception to the rule.
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The point about the city being 97 percent black was to make it perfectly clear who the victims are...and who was/is their leadership through the entire downslide.

And San Francisco is not that clean. It's not East St. Louis, but there is plenty of trash and the theater district reeks of the urine from the homeless.
And your Republican run cities are all crystal clean without a single issue, right?
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And your Republican run cities are all crystal clean without a single issue, right?
Once the few remaining Democrats are voted out, they will be.

Kidding!

I'm not suggesting that Republicans are the answer for these downtrodden communities, but I am suggesting that Democrats are clearly not the answer. In fifty years of single party rule, they made a bad situation absolutely horrendous.
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Wow, this is almost word for word what the White Nationalist leader who organized Unite The Right has said. He blames 1965 too, and the all black communities for America's breakdown.

He too eliminates all the other facts and ignores all the other Democratic cities.
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Wow, this is almost word for word what the White Nationalist leader who organized Unite The Right has said. He blames 1965 too, and the all black communities for America's breakdown. .
White Nationalists blame the 1965 Immigration Act for changing America's racial demographic - even though leaders promised it would not. I am calling it out for its contribution to the destruction of the black working class communities.

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He too eliminates all the other facts and ignores all the other Democratic cities.
Is it not a fact that legal and illegal immigration add to the supply of available labor? This makes labor cheaper - and it also has a terrible impact on the black working class communities. And is it not also true - that since 1965 - these areas are almost entirely run by Democrats?
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I would like to add, that it has been nice to be here again. I know that this community certainly leans Left, and I don't expect much agreement. However, with only a few exceptions, I've been treated with fairness and respect. I've even noticed that BVS developed a sense of humor...

I do learn from you..and I hope, that in some small way, you learn from me. Thank you.
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