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Old 08-26-2017, 02:28 AM   #46
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Well - that's a bit intellectually convenient isn't it? If someone disagrees with you - you can simply say, "According to MY definition of racism - only white people can be racist."


Except that these people are academics who you know, actually study this stuff
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Old 08-26-2017, 02:44 AM   #47
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Except that these people are academics who you know, actually study this stuff
Yeah, well, I'm not exactly outside of that world (you would be shocked at how racist philosophy professors can be...I mean, actual racism) However, the professors I've known and worked with usually agree on this point: you cannot have a debate unless you can agree on basic terminology.
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Old 08-26-2017, 04:51 AM   #49
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I loved having conservatives like nbcrusader and 80sU2isBest here,
I know both of them. You treated them like garbage. Surprise! They are no longer around.
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I know both of them. You treated them like garbage. Surprise! They are no longer around.
I did? Or were you speaking in a general sense? 'Cause I have no memory of doing that. If I ever do upset anyone here with anything I say, it's certainly not intentional, and I'd gladly apologize to anyone who I may well have offended or angered somehow.

And I don't really remember other posters here treating them like garbage, either, but there were periods where I was in and out of this forum for a whole host of various reasons, so maybe I missed something go down?
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I did? Or were you speaking in a general sense? 'Cause I have no memory of doing that. If I ever do upset anyone here with anything I say, it's certainly not intentional, and I'd gladly apologize to anyone who I may well have offended or angered somehow.

And I don't really remember other posters here treating them like garbage, either, but there were periods where I was in and out of this forum for a whole host of various reasons, so maybe I missed something go down?
I meant it in a general sense, my apologies
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It's not a good look when you're quicker to defend those who want to air their racist views than those who describe how racism impacts their lives.
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Nice of Trump to pardon a racist and sign an order banning transgender troops right as a hurricane is about to hit.
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Aeon, you are foolishly naive if you think there are only a tiny number (200? Ha!) of white nationalists.
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I know both of them. You treated them like garbage. Surprise! They are no longer around.



While I can agree that it's never fun to be outnumbered, this seems a little overblown -- one of these posters did return not so long ago, and was like a different person, huge decline in the quality of posts and began citing articles from the laziest places in conservative media -- it can't be fun to defend bad ideas.

I would hardly blame the forum. I agree there are some people who are needlessly belligerent, but that's kind of how it goes on the internet. And though Melon no longer posts here, he put up with years of fairly rank homophobia from certain people (don't forget, U2 has a large Christian following as well) fought back, and today, in here, homophobia is about on par with racism.

So if the ideas were good, they'd eventually win, despite being unpopular or other posters treating them like garbage.

You were around then (before me, even).
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I meant it in a general sense, my apologies
Gotcha. It's cool .

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Nice of Trump to pardon a racist and sign an order banning transgender troops right as a hurricane is about to hit.
Talk about your incredibly convenient timing, huh?

I heard a thing yesterday with Trump saying something to the effect of how he was keeping an eye on everything related to the hurricane and was prepared to help. I could just see a few people in the storm's path hearing that and being like, "Uh, no, that's okay, Trump, we can get by without your attempts at...helping."

(On a serious note, sending good thoughts to everyone being affected by the hurricane right now. Here's hoping the recovery efforts will go as smoothly as possible.)
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While I can agree that it's never fun to be outnumbered, this seems a little overblown -- one of these posters did return not so long ago, and was like a different person, huge decline in the quality of posts and began citing articles from the laziest places in conservative media -- it can't be fun to defend bad ideas.

I would hardly blame the forum. I agree there are some people who are needlessly belligerent, but that's kind of how it goes on the internet. And though Melon no longer posts here, he put up with years of fairly rank homophobia from certain people (don't forget, U2 has a large Christian following as well) fought back, and today, in here, homophobia is about on par with racism.

So if the ideas were good, they'd eventually win, despite being unpopular or other posters treating them like garbage.

You were around then (before me, even).
I think Aeon isn't the only white male feeling attacked and powerless, for whatever reason. There is a syndrome called "deaths of despair" right now which has particularly struck middle aged white males. These are deaths by violence, drug overdose, alcoholism and suicide all caused by despair, depression, or other mental illness. On my street alone I'm aware of two middle aged men committing suicide in the past year.
In a time of rapid social change, perhaps some simply aren't going to adapt and are going to revert to primitive ideas such as white supremacy and racism, ultimately of course going the way of the dinosaur. Some, feeling powerless themselves, will flirt with these ideas to one degree or another.
My other thought regarding the white nationalists/supremacists has to do with their ultimate redemption. It helps to look at them as human, and increasing our understanding may allow us to view them through a lens of compassion (but not acceptance of their ideas).
A feeling of powerlessness can come from many causes. First of all, how many of these marching young men still live in their parent's basement? How many of them are impotent or somehow unable to get a girlfriend due to their emotionally stunted nature? How many of them are intellectually bereft--borderline intelligence being an IQ in the 70 to 90 range? How many have some kind of physical disability or unusual facial structure which makes them undesirable? How many are unemployed or underemployed? How many have been abused/been through the foster care system/have alcoholic or drug addicted parents? How many are themselves addicted to substances/porn, etc.?
The views of the white nationalist/supremacist are repugnant and must be resisted in whatever way possible. I personally don't have as many qualms as some about using violence as a last resort, should the Nazis initiate that or use threats and intimidation in large numbers.
However, I do advocate using a lens of compassion. Can some of these people be redeemed? In a time of rapid social change, how does a society allow the formerly dominant subculture to feel as though they've retained a portion of their personal power?
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Boo fucking hoo. Straight dudes are so oppressed by the notion of having to share some of the privileges they've enjoyed for the last forever that they're turning to Hitler for comfort. Setting aside the fact that this isn't exactly new, and that this has always been how white supremacists get poor, straight white dudes to join their cause--much like heroin, it's just finally reached suburbia in large enough quantities for the mainstream general public to actually care about it. If there's some epidemic of middle age white guys killing themselves over he fact that women don't want to revert to 1950s gender roles, black people want to stop getting killed by cops, and LGBT people want to get married, join the military, and just exist without being second class, etc. let them take themselves out.
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