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If you want to be willfully obtuse about it, sure, stick to a dictionary definition. If you can't acknowledge that institutional racism is worse than simply individuals holding racist beliefs, then I don't know what to tell you.
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I think it does have measurables, it's just a matter of if you're willing to listen? You only believe it exists if a slur is used. So you have already admitted you're not willing to listen.
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Yes, I agree, that would be worse. The government should not give preferential treatment to any race.
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Aeon, I believe that your default mode is to fall back on the position that whites are being attacked (or will be attacked) by groups looking to gain acceptance and basic rights. This is an intellectually lazy defense which fails to take into consideration the complexity of the issue at hand. I believed you were better than that. Perhaps I was wrong.
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It seems that these beliefs of mine are not really that controversial, even with the Left. If you really look closely at my arguments, I'm not arguing anything close to "Nazism". I'm arguing that all men and women are equal before the law. That law, and the government that enforces it, should be colorblind. Heck, even the ACLU defends the neo-nazis' right to speak and march...
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People who actually study race and racism do not agree with this definition.
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You're still arguing with a ghost. How is it that you still don't understand the discussion?
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Well - that's a bit intellectually convenient isn't it? If someone disagrees with you - you can simply say, "According to MY definition of racism - only white people can be racist."
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I think this discussion does raise a really interesting conundrum. AEON is adamant the right to free speech, to parade, be maintained. Even if those parading are nazis extolling some of the most horrific ideas humankind's ever had.
Yet history (albeit in other parts of the world) seems to suggest the best time to tackle these ideas is while they are still part of a small movement. And because of the nature of these ideas, and the effect these ideas seem to have on the people extolling them, tackling them with dialogue doesn't work. So what do you do? AEON is right, I think, that legally speaking that 'parade' shouldn't have been met with violence. But for anyone to ignore the gravity of that 'parade' - in a historical sense and then extrapolating that out into future possibilities - is either ignorant or vile. Also, violence towards those exercising free speech became a hallmark of Trump's pre-election rallies. His supporters man-handling and punching protesters, Trump encouraging violent action against anti-Trump protesters etc. The 'all-who-aren't-nazi' group probably should be utterly meticulous in ensuring they don't initiate any violence towards the alt-right over the coming months. Instead meet these parades with absolutely massive numbers.
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It's not a good look when you're quicker to defend those who want to air their racist views than those who describe how racism impacts their lives.
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And you are SO right. If the White Nationalist (all 200 of them) would suffer a PR nightmare if they attacked a group of seriously peaceful counter-protesters. But ANTIFA would never allow that to happen....seriously, they are the Left's worst enemy... Our common worst enemy are the corrupt career politicians. Both Republicans and Democrats are getting rich by passing laws and regulations that benefit the companies that pay for their campaigns - and then they break every insider-trading law imaginable to turn a $200,000 a year job into $500,000,000 of wealth.
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I realize that. I realize I am skating on thin ice here (at least on this subject). I tend to play devil's advocate because deep down, I am a brat. At the same time, there is validity to what I am saying and I sincerely believe that NO racism (as defined by the dictionary) is better than "qualified" racism.
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